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Re: Legal requirements for classic vehicle.
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2022, 08:19:28 PM »

Indeed w* The Law really can be an Ass.
Without going into detail we received a 'NIP' some years back. It was a bad time and it was on a road we where using very regularly. Yes we should have known, but as I said a bad time.
Anyway, we honestly did not know who was driving so we asked how do we decide who was driving and more importantly what happens if it is found in the future that we where wrong.
In return all we received was ever more threatening letters. In the end my wife took the points on the grounds of probability !
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Re: Legal requirements for classic vehicle.
« Reply #16 on: August 17, 2022, 06:39:39 AM »

I would doubt insurance would be valid if no lights etc.

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My understanding is that it is VERY difficult for Insurers to avoid paying THIRD PARTY claims, provided the driver HOLDS, (or usually HAS HELD) a valid driving licence, and is not disqualified. See the exact wording on the CERTIFICATE. (the certificate is the legal requirement, the policy is their contract with you). However, Google ROAD TRAFFIC ACTS Para 143 (f my memory is correct) where it states that the Insurers can sue the Policyholder, in certain circumstances., to recover their losses.  I suggest that it is worth reading Para.143, anyway.

I read a few years ago, that an Appeal Court ruled that DISQUALIFIED meant by a Court of Law. Being Medically Debarred from holding a licence, by DVLC was NOT disqualification.

Older readers may remember, in Days of Yore, it was not unusual to see brand new truck chassis being driven from the factory to the coach builder, with a "skeleton" cab. I'm sure I have seen something about that in the RTA ... or was it C&U regulations? Maybe Google will know, if you ask the right question. ???

When I was building my house, I ordered 32 roof trusses, each 32ft wide, by 12ft high ... and that was only up to ceiling height ... the pointy bit was to be added later. The trusses were stacked flat on the truck, so 12ft wide. The police escort asked the driver if he could hold 70mph?

OT ... the trusses weight 300lbs each. The manufacturer said they were the biggest they had ever supplied. I managed to find a couple of professional "riggers" willing to hoist the trusses 20ft up the front of my "shell", using ropes. They smiled when I said I would pay them £30 per truss. It was probably the quickest £1,000 they had ever earned ... and probably the hardest. I paid a neighbour's son only £100, in total, to lift each truss to vertical, leaning against each other.  I managed to position the trusses, with diagonal braces, myself, and let my bus driver friend add the finishing touches. I suspect the Factories Inspector would have cringed. The attic space was virtually the same floor area as my entire present bungalow.

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PS, and back on topic ... The regulations seem to accept that "unlegal" vehicles may/will be driven to an MOT, and return while still unlegal. Would the vehicle in question fall into the "may not be driven away" catergory? I believe similar easements apply to a vehicle being driven to (and from?) a pre-arranged weighing at a public weigh-bridge.
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Re: Legal requirements for classic vehicle.
« Reply #17 on: August 17, 2022, 08:24:42 AM »

I have read that the tax (and obviously MOT) exemption for driving to a pre-booked MOT test also extends to driving to a specialist repairer for work that is necessary for an MOT. That is obviously much more likely for a classic car.
My brother in law was once stopped on his way back from Wales to Leicester on a Sunday morning by police because he didn't have an MOT or tax. He said he had  been to collect the car having just bought it, and was taking it to be MOT'd at his usual garage near home. They didn't believe anyone did MOTs on a Sunday, but they rang him up and it was perfectly true. He lived in the bungalow next to his workshop, and did a lot of work including MOTs at odd hours.
The police waved him on, but did add not to try it on too often.


I do remember the delivery drivers of new lorry chassis. I  recall them swathed in overcoats and blankets and wrapped in scarves, wearing goggles. It's one of those common features of life that just don't seem to happen now.
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Re: Legal requirements for classic vehicle.
« Reply #18 on: August 17, 2022, 09:00:14 AM »

I was driving home from a pub meet one at midnight I had lost my dip beams only had side lights or full beam when anyone came to me or past I switched to side lights about five miles from home a cop car came towards me in a group of cars they promptly turned round and blue lighted me once I explained what had happened the officer said its technically not an offence to drive on side lights ? as others can see me he reckoned I couldn't see very well I wasn't going to argue that being a bright starlight full moon night and I have brilliant night vision he offered to drive in front of me the rest of the way home ..... ps it turned out the dip switch was faulty I now carry a short piece of wire so I take power from full beam to dip .
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2022, 03:07:49 PM »

Yes the bus & truck chassis being driven up and down Motorways, I would see them quite regular whilst driving up the M6 past Leyland.
Friend of my Dad did drive them back in the day. He regaled one tale when he and a colleague where delivering two bus chassis to Park Ward in London. I think he said they where due to go to Italy and where higher powered and Auto's to cope with mountainous roads.
Anyway so they are on the North Circular in a three lane section, stopped at the lights. With what he described as a Boy Racer in a convertible between them. The lights change to green and they literally take off !
With the engine at the back the front wheels almost leave the ground as he floored it. Love to have seen the face on said boy racer.
Being left for dead by a guy wearing flying helmet, goggles and overcoat driving a piece of metal was probably not something he mentioned down the pub.   :RHD  🤣
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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2022, 05:48:49 AM »

Hi,

We misplaced the key to our Suzuki Jimny (tiny 4x4). The main dealers were able to sell us a new key, based on the chassis number, but the electroniscs needed to be "introduced" to the vehicle, which had to be done at the main dealers.

I was reluctant to be towed when I had no trafficators, and probably no brake lamps. I can't remember if it had electric windows. We invoked the HOME START clause of our RECOVERY insurance.

If you must be towed by a mate, you can buy boardless trailer lamps, that are held onto the towed vehicle by magnets, no board, just two lamp clusters and lots of wire. Hopefully you can find sufficient steel on your rear cross-member, and if so, you can add a couple of extra steel plates inside, up inside the roof, so you can carry them with you, for potential future reference.

Note, a towed motor car is, technically, an unbraked trailer. I assume that there is specified dispensation to tow a broken down motor vehicle to a place of safety

Incidentally (but probably OT) a laden vehicle may be driven, by prior arrangement, to the nearest PUBLIC weighbridge, to be weighed. I am less certain about it being driven home, if overweight. I used to use the weighbridge, in the road, outside some sort of "works" on the commercial estate in Pontardawe. I presume it was "public", as they had a receipt pad at the ready. My S1 bodied S2, with a Marsland S3 galvanised chassis weighed close to 1250kg. Scrapyards and Steel Stockholders also seem to have their own weighbridges.

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