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OT Lister D stationary Engine
« on: October 29, 2020, 09:55:24 AM »

Lister D stationary Engine OR ???
In these wet cold days of winter lock down I have often wondered about the wisdom of having a Stationary Engine to play with at home and gain free entries to shows.
Any advice on make or model, what to look for, what to avoid, what to pay etc.
Books to read, forum to read/join
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Re: OT Lister D stationary Engine
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2020, 10:19:12 AM »

I had a Lister D for years. Not a lot to go wrong. Think I paid £60 for it and sold it for around the same 20 years later. I used the frame of an old lawn mower to mount it on so I could trundle it about. Bit boring watching it go put-put all day so you will need some toys for it to do something. I had it driving a little pump from a stream up to a holding tank in a veg plot.
Never got around to taking it to shows, they are quite top heavy, so you would need a small trailer.
Got more fun out of doing it up than actually using it (you can boil eggs in the top though)
Parts are readily available.
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Re: OT Lister D stationary Engine
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2020, 10:40:50 AM »

I got given one that had sat in a railway tunnel for many years. Having stripped it down I found that it was way beyond repair. The magneto secondary was O/C the carb was full of aluminium dust, the flywheel was rust welded to the crankshaft. The biggest problem was the piston which was rusted in the cylinder. No amount of rust release or heat or brute force could shift it. Its still in the garage taking up space.
Every few years I have another go at it and fail.
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Re: OT Lister D stationary Engine
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2020, 10:57:39 AM »

Some general thoughts, from someone with a longstanding relationship with a Lister B.

They are quite nice things to have and play with. I personally would get bored sitting watching it chuff away all day and at shows there does appear to be an expectation that this is what you will do. They come in a wide range of shapes and sizes - vertical, horizontal, open crank etc and everything from pick it up and carry it through to needing a specialist trailer to move it. The Lister D is a good introductory model, although personally I think it looks a bit boring. There was a very comprehensive 'how to' series on rebuilding them in Stationary Engine magazine in the late 1990s which is available through back-issues.

I would definitely start by taking out a subscription to Stationary Engine. It will give you a feel for what's out there and the classifieds are a good price guide (and might even contain something you like the look of). There are some good vintage auctions as a source of an engine too - you have just missed the most recent Cheffins one last weekend but worth a look at the results from, I think, Sale 4 as it will give a guide to what was around and how much it made. They also turn up at Newbury, at what used to be the Sodbury Sort-Out.

Alongside the engine, it's worth thinking about whether you have space for something for it to drive. Most drive off a pulley so you can adjust RPM to suit by varying the two pulley sizes. Pumps are popular but there are also stone crushers, sawbenches, reciprocating saws etc. depending on space and pocket.

Parts availability can be assumed to be very limited. Once rebuilt they do so few engine hours that you are unlikely to ever need any, but during the rebuild process you are likely to need to custom manufacture any parts needed. This means it helps to have something largely complete, fairly common, or have/have access to good engineering facilities, but if you enjoy such things, that restoration challenge for something rare is part of the fun. If you don't, buying an older restoration of something fairly common (Lister A, B, D or a Petter) and doing a strip, clean and re-paint would be an easier option.

The Lister B I referred to above dates from 1949 and is completely unrestored. My grandfather rented out his woodland to a pair of woodmen who bought the engine and an old Dennison sawbench and kept them in the woods to cut firewood. After the clean air act, the engine and bench were abandoned in the woods where they stayed until one day in the 1960s when my grandmother and mother had gone out shopping and my father turned up early to visit. He got roped in to helping extract the engine and bench which were dragged out behind my grandfather's Hillman Imp, and installed beside the garage as a fait accompli before my grandmother got back! My father then inherited the engine and bench, which technically now belong to my mother, but the only person who knows how to use them is me, so in time they will probably come my way, unless my mother does something mad like sell them to a scrap man (this is within the realms of possibility).

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Re: OT Lister D stationary Engine
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2020, 12:20:37 PM »

Listers (I have an ST1) are not the lightest of things, make sure you would be happy lugging the weight to and from a show.
One I have often fancied having is the Lister Start-o-matic Generator.
(I know it sounds like something Wallace and Gromit would build)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEQxOAWS_uM

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Re: OT Lister D stationary Engine
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2020, 12:46:27 PM »

Something else that Manxcat's post reminded me of, there is quite a wide variation in fuels and also the choice between old and new. Most engines for restoration now available will be petrol, or diesel for the larger ones. However, there are also gas, paraffin, heavy oil and steam, as well as hot air engines (external combustion). Steam and hot air engines in particular are available to build new. Stuart Models do some really nice steam kits and I'm sure I have seen some nice hot air engine (Stirling engine) models but I can't find them at them moment.

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Re: OT Lister D stationary Engine
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2020, 02:40:30 PM »

^ Possibly these Stirling engine kits
https://www.stirlingengine.co.uk/default.asp

@Oilstain, If the weight were to be an issue,
you could consider something like the ex-military BSA charging sets.
Like auction: #143649647306
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Re: OT Lister D stationary Engine
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2020, 04:02:07 PM »

^ Possibly these Stirling engine kits
https://www.stirlingengine.co.uk/default.asp

@Oilstain, If the weight were to be an issue,
you could consider something like the ex-military BSA charging sets.
Like auction: #143649647306
I like the BSA set :tiphat
but in a show field of Listers and the like will I look a bit of a light weight in more ways than the weight :-[

I think it need to look like a real stationary engine.........
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Re: OT Lister D stationary Engine
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2020, 04:14:32 PM »

Steam powered generator set ?
 (designed for parachute dropping to the Resistance)  :tiphat

https://prestonservices.co.uk/item/ricardo-alco-military-radio-battery-charging-set/


 
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Re: OT Lister D stationary Engine
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2020, 04:20:13 PM »

^^^^ looks great but P.O.A makes me think not cheap :shakeinghead
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Re: OT Lister D stationary Engine
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2020, 04:51:20 PM »

^^^^ looks great but P.O.A makes me think not cheap :shakeinghead

auction: #264317568641

Now, that's not cheap...
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Re: OT Lister D stationary Engine
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2020, 05:02:12 PM »

Friend of mine has a few engines and does lots of shows through the summer with them, well, did last year, nothing this year....

Some shows do give free entry to exhibitors but most shows he goes to invite clubs only so you may need to join a local engine group to get in and not all shows are free to attend. They do reduce the entry fee off course for exhibitors but not always free of charge and sometime extra people are charged full gate price.

Another thing is the amount of fuel he gets through running the engine all day. They are not very efficient things and it isn't unusual for him to finish off a jerry can of fuel over a weekend, that certainly adds to the cost.

He enjoys it however, gives him time away from work, house, wife, kids etc....  ;)

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Re: OT Lister D stationary Engine
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2020, 05:44:45 PM »

G6anz. I had a Land Rover series 1 engine seized solid. My rugby player mate etc etc could not free it.

I was advised to boil up some oil and tip some in each spark plug hole and leave a few minutes.

It worked a treat.
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Re: OT Lister D stationary Engine
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2020, 05:48:51 PM »

When at school a mate used to buy engines for next to nothing. He had about 30 which he restored. I did like the black stone . Fly wheel was about 3’ in diameter. We could not even turn over but being a big chap would grab it turn it over off  it would chug. Lovely things.

I must admit seeing the stationary engine boys at rally’s they amuse me. They seem to set up, with their caravan behind and watch the world go by for 3 days. The missus is usually knitting
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