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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2019, 08:16:02 PM »

Not sure....it might be a grower...I am going to look at it for a few more days/weeks and see how I feel. When I first saw Disco 3 I didn't like it. Now I love it

Found this

https://petrolicious.com/articles/at-last-heres-the-new-land-rover-defender-not-as-effortlessly-cool-as-the-original-but-it-does-everything-else-better

And found it an interesting take
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2019, 09:39:50 PM »

I tried the build your vehicle option on the LR webpage starting with the base 110 (@£45k! ) and it froze at £70k

The thing that put me off most though? Auto only

Although I would like to try transplanting the 300hp petrol into my 109... For scientific purposes only of course

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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2019, 10:09:20 PM »

What JLR needed was a universal "Wow" when it was unveiled - and not just from people who were paid to say it.

How much "wow" have you heard?

Not nearly enough to make it a roaring success, I fear.

I hope I am wrong.
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2019, 10:19:21 PM »

Looks like a really fat bmw mini on stilts
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2019, 10:30:18 PM »

I dont dislike it from what ive seen and read. I never expected it to be like the old defender though either. All the electronics do make me wonder how much will go wrong. I do think it looks like a range rover and an old defender has had a child. And didnt Land Rover show a concept car a number of years ago DC100 i think a lot is from that too.
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2019, 04:27:18 AM »

Hi,

I don't care how good it is, I don't want it.

What I do want, and could afford, would be a Land Rover built Suzuki Jimny. (I think the Jimny is bigger than the original LR 80").

But hey, I guess Land Rover have done their research, and know what Joe Public wants. What don't I want about the Jimny? The 12 month waiting list!

I wonder what Algies Autos (Google) have to offer?

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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2019, 04:44:14 AM »

I wonder if one can bolt in a 300TDI and strip out all the electrickery?
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2019, 05:12:36 AM »

Try configuring some of the options and you will probably get there. A 110X starts at £78k  :agh

Yup.

My brother-in-law asked me tonight what I thought of it; he hates it.  He said that his oldest son was listening to an automotive pod cast talking about it.  He said that this thing evidently has the world's most complicated, onboard computer system for a vehicle. 
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2019, 05:38:16 AM »

Hi,

I don't care how good it is, I don't want it.

What I do want, and could afford, would be a Land Rover built Suzuki Jimny. (I think the Jimny is bigger than the original LR 80").

But hey, I guess Land Rover have done their research, and know what Joe Public wants. What don't I want about the Jimny? The 12 month waiting list!

I wonder what Algies Autos (Google) have to offer?

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Unfortunately Suzuki have screwed up the supply of Jimny as they have put the wrong engine in it, so currently for every one that is imported our government imposes a £10,000 penalty - so that's why there is such a long waiting list, my local dealer has sold 3 vehicles in 12 months and are not allowed to sell there demo unit.
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2019, 06:11:42 AM »

I'm not really a fan of the concept. The biggest draw of a proper land rover to me is the simplicity and adaptability. The new one might be technically incredible, but if I can't take it to bits and see how it works then I'm just not interested.

Thing is, land rover don't care what I think. No matter what they had brought out, I was never going to buy a new one anyway. If I had £40k going spare I'd go on holiday for a year, not buy a car!

They'll probably sell loads of them, though I can't help but wonder if they will be taking sales from other areas in their own product range. It doesn't seem utilitarian enough to occupy a different niche from the likes of the Discovery. In fact, if it was called a Discovery I could probably understand it a bit better.

I can't see the local farmers taking one on instead of the near-ubiquitous Ford Ranger either. The Ranger starts at half the price of the Defender. Incidentally, I went to check the price of the Ranger and it's listed without VAT, where the Defender is listed including VAT. Even the advertised pricing shows who is really expected to buy the new Defender!
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2019, 06:53:33 AM »

For me, it’s typically McGovern... he seems to only know how to take « styling cues » to create something that « looks like », but not how to design something that « is ». This since he was the Freelander designer with big hair.

So, for him, Defender owners are attracted to exposed screws - he puts them in the new Defender.

He doesn’t have the awareness that the exposed screws are related to simplicity and ease of maintenance (although, anyone who has ever replaced the front windscreen washer on a Defender TD5 will know that ease of maintenance is not always a given!)

But, it’ll sell well withe the Urban Explorer sect who want to give off the aura of ruggedness. The real Land Rover types will stop at the previous models!
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2019, 08:10:47 AM »

Hi,

I don't care how good it is, I don't want it.

What I do want, and could afford, would be a Land Rover built Suzuki Jimny. (I think the Jimny is bigger than the original LR 80").

But hey, I guess Land Rover have done their research, and know what Joe Public wants. What don't I want about the Jimny? The 12 month waiting list!

I wonder what Algies Autos (Google) have to offer?

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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2019, 08:22:45 AM »

He said that this thing evidently has the world's most complicated, onboard computer system for a vehicle.

What could possibly go wrong with something with 85 ECUs, assembled in a brand new factory by a manufacturer that props up dependability surveys who was subject to a billion pounds of warranty claims in a single year?
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2019, 08:55:27 AM »

If they had not called it a Defender I would have quite liked it...
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2019, 11:32:50 AM »

I have been mulling this over, I think it has the wrong model designation...

If they made it the new Discovery they may have been on to a winner  :cool

The only problem I can see is they've tried to build a "car"
when they should have been building the off road equivalent to a Transit van with multiple body options on a seperate chassis. And that should still be able to pass modern legislation because Ford still build them ???

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