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[ChrisJC]

Interesting. The suspension is basically a remix of Range Rover Classic and Range Rover P38.

And it will be interesting to see how they get some sort of torsional rigidity into the chassis, and crash resistance. For they are the reasons that Land Rover went away from a ladder-frame chassis.

Chris.

[RobS]

I've been to the Magna Steyr Plant in Graz a few years back, I had an invitation from Peugeot to visit the plant where my RCZ was made as it was one of the first in the UK. They also make the G Wagon there along with the Countryman for Mini plus they originally started the Puch 4x4 system used in the Haflinger which then went on to be developed for the G wagon, so you can understand why it's been developed there, it's a great factory to visit if you ever get an opportunity, plus you can stop at the Nurburgring on the way for a little spin around the track.

For anyone interested here is their website https://www.magna.com/products/complete-vehicles/product/complete-vehicle-production   

RobS

[Allthegear_no_idea]

This appears to be it in disguise.

[jonhutchings]

I see someone has a sense of humour (i hope). The prototype appears to have BL door handles as per the MK 1 disco fitted the wrong way round. Surely part of one of the more unreliable door latching mechanisms in history (anyone who has enjoyed replacing the tiny swings in the door locks of a MK 1 disco will know what I mean.

I'll be slightly surprised if JLR doesn't go after them if that's broadly what the final vehicle looks like given how they view Chinese copies of their products.

[582LTR]

I understand what you mean about JLRs attitude to copies but then they should have complained about G wagons and the new jimny. I suppose this is going against JLRs decision to end the defender but we will see.

[Formerlyjeremy]

I doubt if JLR will go after them - 1. They're in financial trouble so won't want the outlay in fees etc, 2. Ineos is far bigger and more diversified than they are, 3. What's your loss if someone copies your discarded design? 4. What's your protection for a 50 year old design (1969 Range Rover chassis)?

More likely that Ineos will buy JLR from the receiver at a knocked down price and then make it work - which is their speciality - but is normally directed at small things like refineries and chemical production plants.

[ChrisJC]

I would think that is a mule for testing the chassis / drivetrain. The body is a quick lashup, and bears no resemblance to the finished article.

Remember the Maestro Vans used for Freelander chassis testing?

Chris.

[22900013A]

JLR recently tried to copyright the shape of the Landrover/Defender in court. It was thrown out. There have been plenty of similar vehicles over the years, nothing JLR can do about it.

[crumbly65]

Formerlyjeremy's made some very valid points there. 

It is most unlikely JLR will go after Ineos, and a 5th reason could be that to do so would provide Ineos with loads of free publicity.  And provide JLR with a heap of bad publicity.  Questions could be raised along the lines of "If Ineos can make a viable modern utility vehicle, and make it commercially successful, why couldn't JLR?".

Maybe, it would be more sensible for JLR to assist Ineos in production, and licence them to produce & market the vehicle?

[Marky Harvey]

JLR procrastinated for years about what to make.  I think in the end their decision came down to making profit, and they had accepted that they couldn’t make a replacement for sensible money.  Slightly surprised the Grenadier will have solid axle up front unlike all the pickups on the market. As someone has mentioned, this will have an impact on the crash testing.  I’m sure all the computer modelling will have provided Ineos with some level of confidence. 

[Exile]

Can't wait to see it.

Hope they are successful.

[diffwhine]

So do I... I'm one of their consultants...

[Worf]

Dont know who "Unsealed 4x4" are, but this looks good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4stORSTFKHE&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2XF0aiwZ5XvSF9CAciSNq2egnNkK5BOAjvCWSX-iNrJIOpFYEeNSKdXzE

[jonhutchings]

write up in GQ

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/lifestyle/article/ineos-grenadier-preview?fbclid=IwAR3Qm-dWcQX7ncBkYxctNM_M8NQQFOPWLjXGU7wecL4U6-x-QjpLD1Uuz8M

[oddjob]

Looks like a Santana version of a Defender.

It's hinges stand proud so is it one of our crowd?!