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Series 2 prices
« on: May 09, 2021, 10:34:27 AM »

Just been browsing,  have seen an early s2 58 for sale from a landrovet "specialist" for £42500,  listed as  original , having had a 1000 hour restoration , I'm no rivet counter but a quick look at the pics shows a 2 bolt hinge  tailgate which is totally wrong being of a one piece pressing, how do these so called specialists get away with it ?
They are also advertising a 4x2 , one pic clearly shows a red hi lo ratio lever and a late curved  handbrake lever , this one is a late S1  at £27500, we S2 owners must be sitting on a goldmine
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Re: Series 2 prices
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2021, 10:40:37 AM »

it is a bit scary, both the asking prices and the lack of knowledge

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Re: Series 2 prices
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2021, 11:53:28 AM »

Links? ???

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Re: Series 2 prices
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2021, 12:06:03 PM »

Dunno how to post links , but ebay and face book , Williams classics
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Re: Series 2 prices
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2021, 03:04:28 PM »

Dunno how to post links , but ebay and face book , Williams classics
https://www.williamsclassics.co.uk/vehicles-for-sale/

Always has a number of Land Rovers in stock
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Re: Series 2 prices
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2021, 05:35:16 PM »

Just been browsing,  have seen an early s2 58 for sale from a landrovet "specialist" for £42500,  listed as  original , having had a 1000 hour restoration , I'm no rivet counter but a quick look at the pics shows a 2 bolt hinge  tailgate which is totally wrong being of a one piece pressing, how do these so called specialists get away with it ?
They are also advertising a 4x2 , one pic clearly shows a red hi lo ratio lever and a late curved  handbrake lever , this one is a late S1  at £27500, we S2 owners must be sitting on a goldmine
Chris

Just 'cause it's 4x2 doesn't mean it doesn't have hi and lo?

It doesn't have the yellow 4x4 press "lever"

it also doesn't seem to have a front diff!
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2021, 05:51:58 PM »

Just been browsing,  have seen an early s2 58 for sale from a landrovet "specialist" for £42500,  listed as  original , having had a 1000 hour restoration , I'm no rivet counter but a quick look at the pics shows a 2 bolt hinge  tailgate which is totally wrong being of a one piece pressing, how do these so called specialists get away with it ?

It does look "pretty" but I have to confess that for £42,500 I would want a SII tailgate, a passenger windscreen wiper and a heater/demist kit.

And I still wouldn't pay that much for a vehicle that is only suitable for a few dry days use a year, and to park outside the pub for "admiring glances".


But then the vehicle isn't aimed at "us"........
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Re: Series 2 prices
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2021, 06:12:44 PM »

This site was mentioned on the Series 1 forum, a listing of auction prices. If you want to really scare yourself, have a browse of the Series 2 sold listings :agh
https://www.glenmarch.com
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Re: Series 2 prices
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2021, 07:05:48 AM »

I've said this before, but I'm still of the opinion that there's an effort by several individuals/dealers to artificially inflate the perceived value of older Land Rovers generally.

How many standard 2's/2a's have actually sold for over 20k?

Unfortunately rather than stimulating interest in these vehicles higher perceived values are likely, in my opinion, to ultimately cause stagnation in interest, ownership and use as they become the occasional weekend plaything of wealthy old men, yuppies or are squirreled away by "investors".
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Re: Series 2 prices
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2021, 07:40:55 AM »

I've said this before, but I'm still of the opinion that there's an effort by several individuals/dealers to artificially inflate the perceived value of older Land Rovers generally.

How many standard 2's/2a's have actually sold for over 20k?

Unfortunately rather than stimulating interest in these vehicles higher perceived values are likely, in my opinion, to ultimately cause stagnation in interest, ownership and use as they become the occasional weekend plaything of wealthy old men, yuppies or are squirreled away by "investors".
As said ^^^^ I would never become interested on Land Rovers if I had to pay the prices we now see.
I use my 11a as a daily driver over 300 days a year and enjoy it :first
My S1's perhaps less as not enough days in the year..........
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2021, 08:57:58 AM »

I absolutely agree with both above comments. Round here, there are quite a few Series LRs bought by such people and some for well north of £20K. The problem is that I think that to this type of buyer, a £20K car of any type is relatively small change, so even if they lose money on the purchase, its not a big issue to them. The positive side of that though is that these same people are prepared to pay proper money to have things fixed and maintained correctly. Its very satisfying to sort out a nice old Series LR and do the job really well, knowing that a client has the funds to pay for all the effort rather than lash ups that had to be done in the past. I only do work on these vehicles as a sideline (it all started as a means to keep sane during last year's lock down as my ability to do my real job was and remains, severely curtailed). The bubble may burst, but in my view, given the amount of work involved, a well sorted, safe, reliable and rust free Series LR should be worth a lot of money. I'm doing a chassis and bulkhead on a late 2A 88" at the moment. The base job is about £8k, but by the time you've also done the brakes, steering, axles and all the other maintenance parts, this is well over £10K and could go higher. That has to be reflected in future values. If you then add in a respray and bodywork, that pushes any restoration well into the low £20ks especially if you also do the powertrain.
We basically have two types of Series LR. The rough old enthusiast one which is owner maintained (as far as possible), a bit doggy round the edges and probably needs a lot of work to keep it going. That's your sub £10K LR - anything from £2K upwards. At the other end of the scale you have your concours total rebuild which won't even start the bidding below £20K. Then if its sold with providence (owned by Churchill or the Dalai Lama for example), the sky really is the limit.
In effect, there are at least two different sale markets here and we can fit into which ever one suits us as individuals.
The bottom line is we may not like the prices going up for accessibility reasons, but as investments, they are a sound bet if you pay good money but not excessive money for one.
We have to remember that what for most of us started out as a utility cheap vehicle, easy to maintain and run, has now turned into a proper real classic car and the prices reflect this.
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Re: Series 2 prices
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2021, 11:22:09 AM »

A key part of all that is the impact on spares availability and quality. I would hope that the interest shown by people willing to pay for "a good job" will have a positive impact on what is offered by the pattern parts makers. The arrival of at least one good bulkhead provider is another major step forward from where we were 5 years ago...
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2021, 11:39:41 AM »

it is a bit scary, both the asking prices and the lack of knowledge
Hi the "lack of knowledge " is rubbish , plausible deniability  doesn't wash when the avaristic dealer purports to have been a specialist for 30 years and has several different varieties of the marque on the books. It's a sales speak get out ,I bet if you went to view it and asked a few pointed questions the bull would start.
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2021, 02:40:21 PM »

What you ask for and what you get are 2 different things.... dreams
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Re: Series 2 prices
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2021, 03:41:47 PM »

These prices are not aimed at the likes of us ordinary forum Landy lovers. They are aimed at the type of person who believes that if it is expensive, it must be good, if it is cheap, its rubbish. Over the years I have sold Landys to the expensive "shops" like John Brown, a lovely bunch. I have always asked them how they can sell a vehicle that they gave me £6k for, in their showroom for £20k plus. The answer is always the same, the rich, and he did name names, have the opinion that I stated above. So a £20k series 2 must be the dogs.....
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