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Re: Series 1 trailer
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2021, 04:16:21 PM »

The owner says she showed the pictures to Williams LR and they said it was an 80 inch
Is this clearer.

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Re: Series 1 trailer
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2021, 04:34:00 PM »

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It has to be worth way more than £200 if someone broke it, S1 axle, straight tailgate and a complete 86/88 tub (you can tell it is not an 80 because the door closure panel is vertical not sloping.)

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Re: Series 1 trailer
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2021, 05:54:30 PM »

Looks like an 80” tub to me...
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2021, 06:06:06 PM »

Looks like an 80” tub to me...

  Yes  :-[  picture 04 is decieving, the last one side on shows it clearly as 80"  :tiphat
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Re: Series 1 trailer
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2021, 06:10:40 PM »

I dont remember seeing that last picture but yes, the door shut is sloping so it is an 80"

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Re: Series 1 trailer
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2021, 06:46:01 PM »

Surprised no one has mentioned yet that it has a tow bar itself and seems to have another trailer hooked onto it.

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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2021, 07:32:16 PM »

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S1 axle, straight tailgate and a complete 80 tub
Thanks for all the information I’ll let the owner know.
Would anyone care to guesstimate what these parts go for ballpark figure.
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Re: Series 1 trailer
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2021, 11:27:06 PM »

Hi,

I think there is some regulation speciific to towing two trailers (though arguably a loaded towing dolly would count as two trailers) Does anybody know?

There is also the matter of unbraked trailers weighing not more that 750kg MGW. Has anybody taken an S2 to a weighbridge? My S2, with an S1 body with full hardtop weighed in at under 1500kg, so a 750kg trailer would be illegal.

Here is my 86" version.

Hi Craggie,

I agree it's an 86 ... but does everybody here know how I can tell?  :cool

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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2021, 12:22:10 AM »

John,

Please read the DVLA website for the latest info on A frames & Dollies:  https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/a-frames-and-dollies/a-frames-and-dollies

...and as far as I can tell the idea that a towing vehicle must weigh twice the trailer is an urban myth created by the Caravan Club in advice to new owners...  The legal situation is that you need to adhere to the data shown on the Chassis plate to determine the "Gross Combination Weight" - set by the towing vehicle manufacturer.

Now, if you really want some fun/like to wake the Kraken, try asking DVLA what the situation is for a vehicle that does not have a stated "GCW".  As usual their website is simplified and does not cover our old vehicles which pre-date modern VIN plates. There is a line somewhere else on their site that says that if no weights are shown you should not tow....   
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Re: Series 1 trailer
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2021, 04:00:19 AM »

That trailer could go for $1000 over here.  I too noticed the second trailer, what's up with that?

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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2021, 06:56:48 AM »

Hi Gene,

Thanks for that link to the po-faced official view.

I am aware that drivers of motor caravans have been stopped on Mainland Europe, but allowed to proceed after abandoning their A-framed "tender". The information was supplied by victims relating their experiences on a UK Motor Home forum.

The problem arises from the requirement that brakes are required on all trailers exceeding 15cwt (750kg) MGW. I an uncertain if that refers to Maximum PERMITTED Gross Weight, or ACTUAL Gross Weight (AGW). Things are further complicated by DVLA referring to KERBWEIGHT, which seems to involve "variables", such as the assumed weight of your Mother-in-Law.

A quick trip into OT Territory. A prospective passenger was refused permission to board an aircraft, as his hand baggage was half a pound over the permitted weight. He solved the problem by removing a pound of Salami sausage from his bag ... and eating half of it.

I am guessing that if a trailer is fitted with brakes, they must work.

My first caravan, a CI Sprite, bought new in 1971, required someone to jump out, to engage the "detent" to prevent the OVER-RUN brakes engaging when reversing.

This system became illegal, with the requirement that trailer brakes should allow the combination to be reversed, without the driver having to leave the cab. Spawn of the Devil ... this device would not prevent the caravan from running away backwards, on my 1 in 8 drive. I know at least one person has been crushed to death, due to this system. The trailer ran away backwards, and pulling the hand brake simply encouraged the "reverse enable" system to de-apply the brakes.

The 602 solution? Allow the driver to engage the "over-run detent" by pulling a bit of string, or if he's really posh, by a switch triggered by the reverse lamp switch, and a solenoid.

I have read of one trailer fitted with hydraulic brakes, with pressure provided by an electric pump that was activated by the stop lamp switch. But I've also read that neither electrically, nor hydraulically operated brakes are not permitted in the UK. That was a long time ago, and things may have changed My mate Bill (in Trebanos .. we have a member living nearby) had an American boat trailer with  electric brakes.

A car being towed, with a "steersman", is (or was) regarded as an unbraked trailer. I suspect the RTA specifically permits the towing of a BDV (broken down vehicle) which might imply that you cannot tow an "able-bodied" motor vehicle? My understanding is that a provisional licence holder is not permitted to tow a trailer. I assume there are exceptions for "vocational" learners. ???

I would argue that driving a vehicle above your permitted weight limit, would mean you are driving without a licence, so uninsured ... unless (maybe) you are wearing L-plates, and accompanied by an "Instructor". Your licence should tell you what you can drive as a Learner.  :can_of_worms-3 Check the small print. (Barbara was originally restricted to A MOTOR CAR AND A MOTORTRICYCLE, and nothing else, but she now has full B+E entitlement. How did that happen?)

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Re: Series 1 trailer
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2021, 07:42:47 AM »

I have a trailer dating from about 1950 which has a tow hitch on the back. It is literally just a hook, but with a hinged locking bar over the top to stop the ring on the second trailer jumping off.

The rules on towing a second trailer seem to rule out all but very specialised situations:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/maximum-number-of-trailers/maximum-number-of-trailers

The only get-out appears to be if the first trailer was only used for carrying fuel or equipment used by the towing vehicle, so perhaps carrying jerry cans of fuel and water would count?
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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2021, 09:06:26 AM »

Regarding the second trailer it’s just for security 😊 it’s also chained to a tree.
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Re: Series 1 trailer
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2021, 09:38:24 AM »

Side photo added on S1 forum, but I’m not saying more. :neener
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Re: Series 1 trailer
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2021, 09:48:25 AM »


The rules on towing a second trailer seem to rule out all but very specialised situations:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/maximum-number-of-trailers/maximum-number-of-trailers


... just buy a bigger trailer ???
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