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Mr Ed

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Bulkhead alignment measures
« on: July 07, 2021, 03:06:54 AM »

Hello everybody

A few days ago I found this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHvwnEuiqQs

And to test, cut a board to 34 3/4 inch-

Test in 2 Land Rover 88 Series IIA that I have, and in none I enter, this measurement is long by about 5 mm.

Question, this measurement of 34 3/4 inch I have never seen it in a manual, is this distance specified in any publication?

It gives me the impression that it was a suggested measure rather than an official one.


I think that
 It should be a few millimeters less.
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Re: Bulkhead alignment measures
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2021, 07:11:18 AM »

Hi Mr Ed,

Try doing a Google for Land Rover Series 2 Coachbuilders Drawing.

The original drawing was obviously a poor photographic copy of the original drawing ... very grey, but legible if you try hard.

I recently found a "cleaned up" version of the same drawing, on another Land Rover forum. I don't know which version takes precedence if you search.

Have a go, tell me what you find. If it's still the grey version, let me know, and I'll try to find the "clean" version again.

Barbara has just demanded my presence at breakfast, so you are on your own.

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Re: Bulkhead alignment measures
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2021, 08:27:49 AM »

880mm as a door gap works very well.

34.6" in american
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Re: Bulkhead alignment measures
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2021, 09:01:55 AM »

I always set mine up using the doors that are going to fit in the holes.

Mount the rear tub.
Mount the bulkhead loosely.
Fit the doors to the bulkhead getting the height and door gap consistent to the door pillar.
Pull and push the bulkhead around adding washers between the outrigger to get the gap at the back of the door correct to the tub.
Bolt the bulkhead down with the large bolts through the outrigger and the large chassis plates to footwell.

Keep the doors on during the fitting of the hardtop and widescreen and check occasionally as they can move the bulkhead position when tightened down.

No idea what the measurement should be, never checked but setting it up with the doors is a more sensible approach in my opinion.

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Re: Bulkhead alignment measures
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2021, 01:03:19 PM »

Cut a stick earlier to 880mm. Tried it in some original openings, some were tight, some slack, some not even parallel. Seems like a reasonable figure to aim for.
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Re: Bulkhead alignment measures
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2021, 01:21:00 PM »

880mm as a door gap works very well.

34.6" in american

This fits with my Defender data...

Land Rover Defender Optimum Dimensions:

Windscreen Angle   27˚
Side Door Aperture Height (From top of sill finisher to roof)   1169.4mm
Distance Horizontal A-B Post   882mm
Distance Horizontal B-C Post   772mm
Gap Above Side Doors   12mm
Front Door To Windscreen Gap   6mm
Other Door Gaps   7mm
Gap Between Top Of Windscreen Frame On Either Side And Roof Panel   7mm
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Re: Bulkhead alignment measures
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2021, 03:15:17 AM »

Thank you all very much for your information.

I will stick with 880mm which I estimate is what it should be, at least it is the closest in the two series I have.

More than an exact measurement, I created the theme is that it has the same measurement above and below, so that later everything fits together well.
I already checked the tub and it's fine.

Thanks again for this good information.   :first
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Re: Bulkhead alignment measures
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2021, 07:06:01 AM »

Hi,

Some 50years ago, I read that body-shells, for a well known car manufacturer, were built to a tolerance of plus/minus 5mm.

Er, has anybody compared the lengths of the doors, on several Land Rovers? Perhaps the assembly shed line had a GO/NO gauge ... and a selection of doors to choose from?  I suspect that pistons would have been selected to fit the actual bores.

"Blue Printing" an engine involves selecting individual items, while holding a "blue print" showing the maximum tolerances .... so select the block with the biggest bores, and find pistons that will give you the best "racing" clearances. Then find the crank-shaft with the longest "throw" .... Only thousanths of an inch difference, but they all add up. A "Monday Morning" car is one where all the "worst but within spec" components come together.

No, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.

I won't mention the "urban myth" about the manufacturer who made 1200 and 1500 versions of the same model. They later increased the sizes to 1300 and 1600. When the production line ran out of 1300 engines, they dropped "old stock" 1500 engines in. Some owners were delighted with their new cars. It took the insurance companies a long time to find the reason for the high attrition rate.

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Re: Bulkhead alignment measures
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2021, 04:38:06 PM »

I am sure that the tolerances, at least in the bodies of these LRs, are far "wider" than modern vehicles, there was a lot of manual labor in the assembly, that explains it.

 In any case, there will also be a lot of labor when I put it together, so as long as it looks relatively square and neat, at least for me it's fine.
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