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Main Section => Welcome to our virtual Pub Meeting ... => Topic started by: Morson on August 06, 2022, 07:48:11 PM
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I am looking to purchase whats been advertised as a ex mod stage 1, chap says it was imported from ireland and civvy registered in 1992. ive had mixed reactions with its not a stage 1 to its looks like one to army never had them. the chap im getting it from has said the paper work has been lost as its been sat in a field for god knows how long and hes not the quickest at getting information. could some of you please shine a light with your wisdom to your thoughts and experience
ive attached some photos
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If it's a genuine V8 then the speedometer should have 1376 at the bottom of the dial on the right. That's the turns per mile for a Stage 1 speedometer.
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If there's no paperwork - walk away. Don't touch it, even if it's free. :shakeinghead
There are plenty of decent projects out there with the correct docs.
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Start with the chassis number... What is it?
Secondly - what is the engine number?
I'm not aware of the Irish Army having any Stage One V8s. In those days, they steered away from LR due to its connotations with what was happening in the North. I know because my Lightweight was burned out in Dublin thanks to it's military connotation... They tended to use Nissan Patrols a lot I think.
Any ex-MOD contract should have a contract plate somewhere - usually on the side of the seat box.
If you can come back with some numbers, I might be able to do some digging.
If you can get the front axle number, even better!
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oh it has the v5 just not the military paperwork sorry thats my fault for not mentioning. as for the speedo numbers ill make sure i look before i purchase thats a good tip thanks.
I have asked him to look for the ERM tag on the seatbox but like i said hes not the quickest to reply to me
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If it has a V5, don't assume that its all kosher unless those numbers can be verified against the vehicle itself. It could be an issue of identity theft.
The V5 will have the engine and chassis number, so if you feel happy to do so, PM the details to me and I'll do some checking. (if the owner actually is prepared to share them...).
If it is what it suggests it is and is salvageable, then a Stage One V8 is a rare beast now and worth saving. Quite a few people tried to make replicas, so we need to do our best to help you avoid getting burned fingers!
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i appreciate the help RE getting some verification ill put a message to him again and see what i get back but i wont hold my breath, i think it will be a case of seeing it in person, i presume the chassis number is still on the dumb iron as well as the plate
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The Stage One V8 chassis number should be in the usual place - yes.
I can't be 100% sure, but I seem to recall that the VIN plate itself was fitted to the bulkhead, engine side to the right of the pedal boxes. Roughly in the same place as a voltage regulator on a 2A RHD vehicle.
From what I've seen looking at the photos, it does appear to be a Stage One V8.
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The reversing lights and gearbox tunnel/lever point to a Stage 1 - but that rear fog is in the wrong place, and the number plate should be beneath it on a late Series 3..
Also I thought they all came with an oil pressure gauge in the centre of the dash, which this one appears to be lacking. They aren't much cop anyway - Terry's old one used to read about 10psi at full chat!
I have a similar Stage 1 project for sale in Cornwall if ye fancy it?
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As has been said chassis number is probably needed to confirm as there are some bits that aren't stage 1 such as series 2/2a door hinges, 2 windscreen so the bulkhead must have been altered somehow and its got SU's fitted when it would have been Strombergs, but then its a landrover so anything could have been swapped and changed over the years...
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cheers for the offer however i think yours will be alot higher than the one im looking at
yeah the bulkhead has thrown me off alittle all i have found out so far from another source on FB that there was a period that the Irish Permanent Defense Force purchased land rovers from dealers as it was quicker than to get them from the army and then retro fitted to what they needed them to be so maybe this fell into that category but i will keep tracking info
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Start with the chassis number... What is it?
Secondly - what is the engine number?
I'm not aware of the Irish Army having any Stage One V8s. In those days, they steered away from LR due to its connotations with what was happening in the North. I know because my Lightweight was burned out in Dublin thanks to it's military connotation... They tended to use Nissan Patrols a lot I think.
Any ex-MOD contract should have a contract plate somewhere - usually on the side of the seat box.
If you can come back with some numbers, I might be able to do some digging.
If you can get the front axle number, even better!
Blue bus in the pic = Old Ulsterbus, so not ROI. V5 = UK so an NI location if in Ireland.
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Personally I would say that isn't a stage one V8
The dash screen vent are the large type, they were only used from the start in 1971 up to October 1975
The V8 engine has SU carbs and the finned rocker covers. That is more than likely an SD1 car engine. The Stage One engines had Stromberg carbs and the rocker covers with the word "ROVER" cast into them. I can't see any signs of the correct air cleaner ducting on the engine either.
The front grille panel looks wrong too. That one has the fixing holes for the later plastic grille and not the metal mesh of the stage one. Probably taken from the 90 / 110 that gave up it's bonnet and bulkhead too.
Be interesting to see if you can find any numbers on it. Engine number should be on the flat area right were the dipstick enters the block.
Craig.
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so it pointing less likely its a stage 1 i will wait to see the chassis and military tag but it looks like we hoping its an ex military now if not i will prob pass on the purchase as it probably some Frankenstein model
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The only way of proving this is to check the VIN...
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As I posted in the 1st reply in this topic ....
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If there's no paperwork - walk away. Don't touch it, even if it's free. :shakeinghead
There are plenty of decent projects out there with the correct docs.
Do you want a Stage I vehicle ???
What I mean is; are you looking for a Stage 1 or just a good project ???
Are they that special ?
I wouldn't have thought that many will have been made ???
Can you get a local "expert" to inspect the vehicle for you ?
I don't know what the chassis number should be, but a genuine Stage 1 will be identified from the chassis number.
And I should have thought that the engine will have a Stage 1 number.
No V5C to confirm this - walk away.
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its located nearly 130ish miles from me so im waiting for the bloke to give me the details, wasnt particularly looking for a stage one it was just advertised as ex military stage 1 and for the price i am willing to pay if it is genuine, if it turns out not ex mil or stage 1 i wont bother as it will be just a standard 109 thats been messed with. i just want to make sure before i make the journey with a trailer to find out its not whats advertised.
It 100% has a log book its just the mili papers that are lost, once i have the VIN and ERM i might be able to piece together what it is and whether its worth the investment
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There is one way of quickly spotting if it is genuine...
The steering relay p/n NRC2410 is bolted to the chassis rail like a coil sprung LR steering box. If it has a relay in the front cross member, you will know its a wrong 'un
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If the log book does say stage 1 i think the land rover itself is not here i present my evidence haha i cant tell by the steering relay as it is hidden how ever the front of a stage 1 chassis by the bumper mounting is 2 blocks that hole the rad panel up and on the picture below i cannot see this as it looks like a standard 109, let me know your thoughts on that, or can i not see far back enough to determine this and am looking at the bumper mounting?