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Our local tip allows proven local residents eight visits per month, just make an online appointment and turn up. However they do not allow commercial vehicles, or four wheel trailers. So far so good.
So, if you have certain categories of vehicles, and are a resident, you can apply for a permit. This allows these certain categories of vehicles (and trailers) twelve visits per year.
These certain categories include, tray backs, pick ups, and soft tops with no seats. Yes you’ve guessed it, my soft top Landy is a commercial vehicle and only gets 12 visits per YEAR.
This is a nonsense. My Landy is my daily driver, I pay my Council Tax on time every month. So I see folk with massive SUV’s, people carriers etc….. eight visits per MONTH.
So who benefits from this nonsense, nobody, it just increases fly tipping. Tried appealing, jobsworths everywhere.
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Same here.
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Hi,
A 4x4 Land Rover is a dual-purpose vehicle (same as an estate-car). This is specified in the RTA, or maybe somewhere similar, and has been proven in the Appeal Courts. Land Rovers are not restricted by Goods Vehicle speed limits.
I'm sure somebody here can quote chapter and verse.
However, some Amenity Centres have height bars that some Land Rovers are unable to crawl under, BUT Local Authorities are required by LAW to provide somewhere that local residents may dispose of their non-trade rubbish.
That legislation should be accessible too ... introduced about the late 1950s. Thenceforth Factory Lane in Croydon was packed, every morning, with old jalopies, each with the key in the ignition, and the old green log-book on the driver's seat.
Your Council Tax pays for this service, so your District Councillor is the door to knock on.
I believe ther is some specific legislation about how to get your car to a scrap yard. I think it must be prior arrangement, but there is something in my mind about exemption from insurance, but possibly it MUST be towed. If it's on a trailer, of course, it's not on the road.
Be careful about using a towing dolly ... I believe they are only permitted for recovery of a broken-down vehicle, and possibly not even then.
I'm happy to be challenged on any of the above.
602
PS ... slightly connected ... if you are caught with an unlicenced/untaxed vehicle on the road, DVLA are entitled to calculate the back-VED, from the date of expiry of the last VED, or the last NOTIFIED change of keeper, or when any penalties became due, or SIX YEARS. (A debt may legally be enforced for six years from the last time the debtor acknowledged the debt ... or the last time the creditor asked for payment.
So there!
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Yes, I can take my Land Rover to the local tip.
Never had any issues, and in fact on the last two occasions I got nice comments about the 2A from the staff.
So to our council, I award a 🏆
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Hi Kev,
Not aimed at you ... https://www.money.co.uk/car-insurance/towing-and-insurance
Google didn't seem to know. Iliketo know what the law says, so I can at least try to avoid breaking the law.
I'm not sure about that link ... a towed car is/was considered to be an unbraked trailer, even if there is a driver on board to press the brake pedal. I must refer to my personal (payed for) copy of the police promotion hand book ... although it's about 40 years old.
602
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As suggested by 602, I have just written to my local councellor with a photo of the Landy, and all the relevant facts. I will report back.
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Hi Rob.
My breath is bated.
602
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PS,
I have found that a £1 coin pressed into the hand of the bloke who helps you unload, will make me very welcome next time. Eventually, they start keeping interesting stuff to one side, just for me. But that was the Swansea Valley sub-culture.
602
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602, they got caught on camera and sacked.
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PS,
I have found that a £1 coin pressed into the hand of the bloke who helps you unload, will make me very welcome next time. Eventually, they start keeping interesting stuff to one side, just for me. But that was the Swansea Valley sub-culture.
602
Only a Quid?
Methinks you may be living in the past mate.🤣🤣🤣
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It depends if I cross the border. Actually I have to cross the border. Stockport tips have lower barriers than Cheshire. My 109 doesn’t fit in Stockport but does just in Cheshire. So I nip over the border into Cheshire. I’ve never had a problem and am friendly with the tip staff. Mine is a canvas back but has seats in the rear.
If I go to Stockport tip (Adswood) my new Defender just fits if I lower the suspension, but the anpr cameras log your visits.
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Went to our tip today complete with trailer and was talked to by one of the operatives who said, you don't see many of these old things these days, he was very keen to talk about the landy as he had a Disco 3.
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This topic keeps coming round. The answer is at the ballot box.
Complain to your local councillor.
Went to our tip today with some timber and got stung for £3 >:(
Yet there was no problem with carpets from 3 rooms the day before :stars
Carpet must be harder to re-cycle than wood.
Tomorrow I have our garden shed :shed reduced to kit form and that will be at least another £3.
It's supposed to be covered by our council tax.
I suppose I could have a big bonfire ?
:dustcart-1
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Our local tip in Chorley accepts my land rover but I have to book an appointment for the trailer so I just make 2 trips with the land rover. I usually end up talking to one of the guys who has a vintage motorcycle
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Sorry to say that the “Ballot box” theory is somewhat flawed. Until manefesto’s or doorstep promises are written into law they will promise anything.
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No problem with my defender 130 tipper they even help with emptying it, if its full of hedge cuttings and branches they let me park right next to the skip.
Dave
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Yes. they queried it 1st time but it has a folding bench seat in back so is a passenger vehicle!
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Another vote for Chesterfield....I go there with mine, and always get banter with the guy on the gate saying "Sorry, we don't take vehicles Mate!"
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Our local tip allows proven local residents eight visits per month, just make an online appointment and turn up. However they do not allow commercial vehicles, or four wheel trailers. So far so good.
So, if you have certain categories of vehicles, and are a resident, you can apply for a permit. This allows these certain categories of vehicles (and trailers) twelve visits per year.
These certain categories include, tray backs, pick ups, and soft tops with no seats. Yes you’ve guessed it, my soft top Landy is a commercial vehicle and only gets 12 visits per YEAR.
This is a nonsense. My Landy is my daily driver, I pay my Council Tax on time every month. So I see folk with massive SUV’s, people carriers etc….. eight visits per MONTH.
So who benefits from this nonsense, nobody, it just increases fly tipping. Tried appealing, jobsworths everywhere.
You should have kept the SW! :tiphat
I did have one slightly surreal conversation with the jobsworth where he claimed that the weldmesh partition between the middle row seats and the rear load area was a fixed division making it a commercial vehicle but he backed down when I called it a removable dog guard (I did once clip off the cable ties and remove it, to fit the dismantled roofrack inside) and pointed out the "Four Wheel Drive Station Wagon" badge on the back. DVLA reckon it's a "Light 4X4 Utility" though..... :stars
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Chesterfield is a bit of a way for me to go tipping :'(
Just back from my daily tip trip (we're clearing the house out) with a load of carpet, scrap metal, and some wooden furniture, for which there was no charge.
Since Land Rovers in all their versions were invented before the DVLC/DVLA taxation classes were invented and changed - things like Land Rovers can be awkward to categorise before you encounter the ex East German border guards at the tips. They basically want to shake all the loose change out of your pockets. Effectively we are paying twice to dispose of our rubbish :shakeinghead
Now, I know a couple of quiet lanes, off the beaten track ... :whistle
I've posted many times on this subject.
What's needed is a clear, common sense National policy applicable from Lands End to Hadrian's Wall.
Therefore ...
It's never going to happen - we have to live with it :'(
:dustcart (ex South East Derbyshire bin-man) :dustcart
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It depends if I cross the border. Actually I have to cross the border. Stockport tips have lower barriers than Cheshire. My 109 doesn’t fit in Stockport but does just in Cheshire. So I nip over the border into Cheshire. I’ve never had a problem and am friendly with the tip staff. Mine is a canvas back but has seats in the rear.
If I go to Stockport tip (Adswood) my new Defender just fits if I lower the suspension, but the anpr cameras log your visits.
Is Stockport now in Greater Manchester ? I thought it was in Cheshire ?
No windows in rear of my SWB so considered a van by Merseyside councils. Free to tip household waste but have to apply for a permit in advance.
Some years back I worked for a clinical waste removal company. Yellow bags.
I used the works transit to empty a house we had been renting out. The guy at the tip refused me entry and asked 'how do I know that it is not clinical waste' ?
As opposed to the furniture and carpet it actually was !
He directed me into the office where I explained to his boss. 'yeah, right jobsworth him. Tell him I said it ok' :neener
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Our local guys are ok. Although they did intercept a couple Of bits of rubble recently and tried to charge about £3.00 for a bucket full.
Now, what do they not recycle rubble, eminently suitable.!
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Very fortunate here with our local tip. The guys there are helpful & friendly, and although vans need permits, I've not had a problem at all so far with my S2.
No-one has ever suggested my 88" with a tilt and the rear folding sideways-facing bench seats, is anything like a commercial vehicle.
I think amenity tips are the responsibility of County Councils in England? It can difficult enough getting a Parish or District Council to respond to local issues, County Councils are even more remote.
One can't help wondering whether elected politicians use the facilities for which they are responsible.
If a councillor has to take stuff to a tip, do they just accept the way it operates? Or, as I suspect, do they get presented by budget constraints, and the resultant options by their officers, and just accept the options after either a desultory discussion, or a "whip" along political party lines.
It's very easy for them to fall into the trap of knowing the cost of everything, but the value of nothing. It's obvious to users of the countryside, that fly-tipping is a problem, and a national problem. The obvious way to address that problem is to start at the amenity tips, and set out national guidelines which are costed and funded.
In the same way that air pollution in our major cities, could and should, be addressed by free public transport, properly funded.
But many of the things we rightly complain about on here, need political solutions, and politics, very rightly in my view, should not be a subject on this forum.
The forum for those complaints are the political bodies responsible. Perhaps we would be better going along to public meetings of the County Councils, and moaning there? And backing up the moaning with written complaints and examples?
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I suppose I could have a big bonfire ?
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Must be someone near you with a wood burner that wants the firewood, if I were closer…. Maybe stick the offer on freecycle see if anyone wants to collect it.
I get a big chunk of my heating every year from wood that others would have to pay to get rid of otherwise
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Shame really as good rubble (and car tyres) would help shore up our Norfolk coastline (much as the Dutch have done).
Instead of paying £3 a bucket, they should be paying us.
:dustcart-1_RH
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Must be someone near you with a wood burner that wants the firewood, if I were closer…. Maybe stick the offer on freecycle see if anyone wants to collect it.
I get a big chunk of my heating every year from wood that others would have to pay to get rid of otherwise
:doh :doh :doh
My lad has just moved and he has a wood burner - and a large car.
Excellent idea :first
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Never had a problem using the Land Rover to our local tip.
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Used my 88" truckcab 3/4 tilt for 3 tip runs today. 24 old 600x600 council slabs, got to be about 1000kg. Not an eyebrow raised from the guys. Only problem is they are still operating an online booking system left over from Covid with 15min slots so you have to fit in with availability when doing multiple runs on the same day. None of this £3 a bucket nonsense. East Dunbartonshire, Scotland
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This topic keeps coming round. The answer is at the ballot box.
Complain to your local councillor.
Went to our tip today with some timber and got stung for £3 >:(
Yet there was no problem with carpets from 3 rooms the day before :stars
Carpet must be harder to re-cycle than wood.
Tomorrow I have our garden shed :shed reduced to kit form and that will be at least another £3.
It's supposed to be covered by our council tax.
I suppose I could have a big bonfire ?
:dustcart-1
This is a bugbear of mine, I’ve taken an internal door home again and chopped it up because they wanted to charge me to recycle it, they then wanted to charge me because it used to be an internal door so I took it home again and burned it. It cost more in petrol than the fee but if a council wants to encourage recycling then why should we lug our stuff down there only to have to pay when we get it there?
It got even more bizarre this week, apparently the charge is levied on home improvements, I don’t know why our council have taken against home improvement, maybe they think we are increasing the value of our property and they want a cut of it? I don’t know. Anyway I was clearing out my mum’s house this week, she passed away recently and we are clearing the house prior to selling it and there was a very large fitted wardrobe which we cut up and it needed to go to the tip, I looked up the council website and sure enough disposing of wardrobes is chargeable so I gritted my teeth and went down there. I explained what the wood was and that it was from clearing my deceased mum’s house and was allowed through no charge, it appears that home improvements are chargeable but (personal) house clearance isn’t, I would assume commercial house clearance would be. I know what im going to say the next time I’ve got anything like that to go.
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That's part of the problem - inconsistency at the tip - It depends who you are, what vehicle, and someone's evaluation of what you have in the vehicle to tip.
I think everyone is pretty clear on garden waste, cardboard, glass, washing machines and scrap metal - but wood and furniture seems to vary from tip to tip as to what they regard it as.
We once took a couple a fence panels in and they wanted £5 :thud
Took them back and rip sawed them up into small pieces.
Went back and not a problem - same person on the gate!
Just think, fuel and time wasted, impact on the environment increased.
Others would have driven to a place and fly-tipped on the way home.
Ideally stuff like this should be dumped on the councillors drives. Maybe then they might get it sorted.
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Callander Tip - Free, no problem with Landrover or either of my 2 wheeled trailers. 4 wheel Ifor Williams is not allowed.
Open every weekday evening till 8pm and Sat. morning.
G.
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I used to be able to use my 109", configured as a windowless hardtop, no problem at all at the local
tip amenity centre recycling centre.
Then, about 12 years ago, they decided that it was a van and, as such, needed a permit; books of 12 of which could be applied (and paid for) on a once-annual basis.
However, as my household "had access to more than one vehicle" I was ineligible for applying for a book of permits.
The solution, at that time, was to fit a couple of bench seats in the back, which was enough to satisfy the requirements of it no longer being a van, but did mean run-ins with semi-hysterical, dayglo-clad mini-Hitlers from time to time.
About five years ago, their classification of what would constitute a van was amended to require fitted side windows all round the vehicle, in addition to at least one "row" of seats in the back. This lead to me using my trailer behind the car for a few years, but our latest one doesn't have a towbar currently and I'll be damned if I am going to spend upwards of £1000 adding one to it for the sake of a handful of trips to the tip a year. So, my 109" now wears a set of factory fixed side windows and, I am happy to report, there has not been a murmur from the authorities in my subsequent visits.
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What would happen (apart from you getting wet) if you removed the roof and sides and drove it in as a "convertible" ???
In theory you could pile your rubbish right high (higher than if it went inside) and have a net and/or ratchet straps to hold it in place ???
:RHD
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What would happen (apart from you getting wet) if you removed the roof and sides and drove it in as a "convertible" ???
In theory you could pile your rubbish right high (higher than if it went inside) and have a net and/or ratchet straps to hold it in place ???
:RHD
“No open backed vehicles/pickups”.
In theory, that means no convertibles. Madness.
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The staff at our (whatever it’s called today) dump, range from really friendly and helpful, right through to the Hitler, obstructive, unhelpful jobsworths. It’s not a difficult job, not well paid, but that’s not the punters fault.
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Can you take your Landy into your local tip ?
No - seems to be answer - Chesterfield and Scotland are too far for me :shakeinghead
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No problem with the Sefton tips. I have been with cab & 3/4 fitted as well as convertible and small trailer. No issues at all. Large trailer permits are issued without delay. :first
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I think you are all missing the point here. Coming from a family of pyromaniacs, taking combustible material to the dump is a major faux pas. We normally try to make them a social event, or if we can't meet up, send each other pictures of them to let them see what they are missing! First two pics are couple I've had this month, last two are bonfire night last year!
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The 6d Handley is always a good pallet bonfire :first
Burning the waste at home is not an option for some :shakeinghead
The neighbours would have the police round in seconds.
Even if you lit it at night.
:shakeinghead :fire
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I stopped in a local lay-by to retrieve some bundles of scrap timber that I’d spotted earlier.
Nothing! Some bu**er had beaten me to it.
More seriously, its probably not a good idea to have bonfires in random field gateways.
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I'm sure it's a homeowners right to have a controlled fire in their garden. Albeit, one that doesn't deliberately noise up your neighbours. Obviously if you don't have a garden you don't have this problem.
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Sorry. This is getting off topic. I'll keep quiet now. :wooly-jumper
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We have some big garden fires. I’ve got half a 40 gallon drum cut the long way as a fire pit. Here in West London the rule is no black smoke. Dry wood only.
Also have a wood burner which has eaten a lot of Victorian roof joists keeping us toasty this winter.
To get back on track here’s one of my favourite tip runs, back when they didn’t charge for the shed on the roof!
(https://i.postimg.cc/QdQJ9wR5/IMG-5010.jpg)
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:o
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Odd job though your registration number was different to the one shown ^^^^^ to many letters and numbers :stars
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That’s the old number before I put my granddad’s one on.
:cheers
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Love that…. If only.
We have regular bonfires here. Very large garden. But try burning grass or green vegetation.
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Since Land Rovers in all their versions were invented before the DVLC/DVLA taxation classes were invented and changed
Hi,
"Workhorse of the World" mentions the Appeal Hearing (mid 1950s) which resulted in 4x4s being accepted as DUAL PURPOSE VEHICLES, and therefore exempt from the (then) 30mph speed limit on COMMERCIAL vehicles.
The ROAD TRAFFIC ACTS specify that ESTATE CARS are also DUAL PURPOSE VEHICLES. Who will be brave enough to mention that, next time their Land Rover is turned away from the tip, and the Volvo Estate isn't?
Discoveries and Freelanders are badged as LAND ROVERS ... I'm not sure about Range Rovers, probably not. Isn't there some legal objection to ambiguous legislation?
In 1962, I received an apology from the Beaks, for, endorsing my licence. having been clocked at 80mph, in my 1959 850cc Minivan. on the A1, which at that time was without any speed limit. I claimed it was a car, as I had fitted rear seats. The Clerk of the Court checked his law books, that said that BOTH rear seats AND side windows were required before I was allowed to exceed 40mph. Double whammy ... speeding fine of £2, and £50 Purchase Tax, which allowed me to fit windows. That would have been in the early 1960s, ... my one and only "slapped wrist". OK, I've been lucky, ... otherwise not even a parking ticket in my 65 years driving.
602
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I will be taking ours today with a load of garden waste then on to see a chap who is rebuilding S1 107 pickup
Peter
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Local to me they did a chap who did not own a vehicle for using the tip too frequently. He was using a bicycle as his transport.
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In Norwich the city fathers have build a spanking new recycling centre right out past the Norwich International Airport, it's not actually in the city.
It's not on a bus route, no pavement or cycle path access :shakeinghead
Today I had to pay £12 to dispose of my 35 yr old shed :shed
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Bargain!
This 'little' bit of fencing cost me £50. That was when I stopped taking wood to the tip :stars
(https://i.postimg.cc/TPvkMqSc/6-D5-D7-C9-F-382-A-41-BB-9-B17-0-BC0-A51-E8384.jpg)
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I read these tales with some sorrow. Our "Coup" is free for local residents, "commercial" waste charged for. A "Bulk uplift" will collect 5 large items from the kerbside for £30, so there is no excuse for the fly-tipped suite or mattress scenario.
Garden Waste is collected in a 240Lt Brown Bin, for a £35 annual fee. There are 19,000 out there, with another 6,000 supplied free to people with Concessions. Residents can have extra brown bins, on payment of another £35 each. Yes, its a revenue earner. The garden waste is sent to a processor who turns it into compost, the compost is provided free at Council Recycling centres, bring your own container.
Why are Councils concerned about land-fill ? Because they pay £98 in tax to HMRC for every Tonne plus the cost of actually dumping it. That will take the cost to well over £110 a tonne.
The problems seem to multiply when the service is outsourced to commercial operators ?
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Only a Quid? Methinks you may be living in the past mate.
Hi,
A quid handed to a supermarket delivery driver gets a mass of groceries delivered into the kitchen, rather than the frond door step. I used to have half a dozen supermarket crates that I swapped for full ones. Everybody was a winner ... until a jobsworth snatched them back. His loss!
I currently have about 40 feather edge fence boards, 2 metre long to get rid of, all de-nailed and neatly stacked. Once they have gone, I can replace my similar height back fence, about 40ft long. I think they have been painted with some sort of preservative, so not permitted as garden waste.
We recently spent about £80 on a clinical waste (black) wheelie bin which they didn't empty last collection day. It's now over-full, and the magpies are breaking into the unprotected black bags. (Whatever turns them on. ???) I guess we are going to have to buy another black wheelie bin, then argue about how many we are entitled to put out. Can anyone advise?
602
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Clinical waste bins are usually yellow and require specialist carriers, I was one. Your local health centre or dentist will have a contract with someone.
As for how many bins, it varies by Council but usually only one unless you have a 'good' reason to need more. What that good reason is will also vary but what will not vary is there ability to charge for it !
If you have any communal areas nearby I would suggest just leaving your bin 'in with the mix'. Then be sure to grab it back as soon as is emptied.
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What would happen (apart from you getting wet) if you removed the roof and sides and drove it in as a "convertible" ???
In theory you could pile your rubbish right high (higher than if it went inside) and have a net and/or ratchet straps to hold it in place ???
:RHD
They have height barriers that usually have a speed hump directly under it to jolt you upwards even if you crawl along. The barrier itself being too low for anything other than a car anyway.
In the old days they used to have a man who shot out of his hutch like a cuckoo clock and would unlock and swing the barrier open depending on if he like the cut of your jib.
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Hi Shed,
Barbara is unable to get out of bed, so a team visit four times daily to change her super absorbant kex. After four days, our black wheelie bin is brimming.
Rats and magpies are able to penetrate the thin black plastic bags (I don't know why they would want to) and scatter the contents. TOOLSTATION sell superior strength black plastic bags, called RUBBLE SACKS (just in case you need to know that.) But I pay my taxes and council rates, which I assume covers the collection of clinical waste.
I can feel a crusade coming over me.
And then there is the matter of Social Workers carrying out jobs that should be carried out by nurses. The Social Services will soon be charging for their visits (£5 an hour?) while nurses are NHS, with no charge. OK, I'm not sure of my facts, yet, but I'm working on it, as are others.
602
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Get your neighbours to write and complain to the council (http://www.series2club.co.uk/new_forum/Smileys/wittsends/write.gif)
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Hi Shed,
Barbara is unable to get out of bed, so a team visit four times daily to change her super absorbant kex. After four days, our black wheelie bin is brimming.
Rats and magpies are able to penetrate the thin black plastic bags (I don't know why they would want to) and scatter the contents. TOOLSTATION sell superior strength black plastic bags, called RUBBLE SACKS (just in case you need to know that.) But I pay my taxes and council rates, which I assume covers the collection of clinical waste.
I can feel a crusade coming over me.
And then there is the matter of Social Workers carrying out jobs that should be carried out by nurses. The Social Services will soon be charging for their visits (£5 an hour?) while nurses are NHS, with no charge. OK, I'm not sure of my facts, yet, but I'm working on it, as are others.
602
It's sounds like exactly what I would collect, albeit from commercial premises. I feel sure this is something you should have help with disposing of.
It is something you really do not have control of so it is unfair that you are having to cope with this issue.
As an aside, I did complain that the Blood Transfusion service where disposing of paperwork in with their clinical waste. Not really my problem but clinical waste is expensive to dispose of in comparison, and as a tax payer I thought this a waste of money.
Response was that it contained some confidential info'. So have it shredded !
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Hi Shed,
We have already purchased one BLACK wheelie bin, at about £70, "especially for the occasion", and it looks like we are going to have to buy another. But will the LA empty two bins?
Then there is the matter of the black bin lorry driver knowing that he needs to drive down our cul-de-sac, and reverse his 17 tonner back up, just on the off-chance that somebody has left a black wheely bin out for collection. I have never seen another black bin, and didn't know they existed, until a couple of weeks ago.. On the other hand, the week before last, was week was our first week, with the black bin being emptied, without prompting, for the first time.
Maybe the driver of the big green gulping machine spots the black bin, and phones it in. ???
OT, A couple of months ago, I noticed one of the bin-men was one of those young nubile people. Equal opportunities?
More OT, while on the subject, I no longer have to take a shower in front of a young lady social worker ... Barbara had reported that I felt "unstable" in that situation. (I did manage to maintain polite conversation).
MK is very different from the Swansea Valley, where I could just wander in to County Hall, unannounced, and have a casual chat with the Head Honcho in Planning, maps and plans spread over the counter, first name terms. On one occasion, I had to return a document by Friday.. Both of us had to sign, but Barbara was working in the Midlands that week. Solution was to get her to sign when she did get home, then nip round to the Mayors house (he was in the bath) get him to write a note on the envelope, authorising its late arrival, then hand it into Security at County Hall. The Planners phoned him the following morning to ask what was going on. Whatever, we got our five figure grant.
602
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On the subject of wheelie bins do they insist on handles to the road or it is not processed. Dont put it out to early or leave it out once it has been emptied.
Also has anyone else played hunt there own bins as they get grouped for emptying and get left where ever the wagon pulls up.
I have put zip ties on the handles for quick recognition when its a few houses up the road.
I know that they are bins but some peoples other bins that I been left with are grotesque.
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Depends where you live and your street "layout".
Here they want the bins on the edge of your property, on the pavement.
But we don't have a pavement, so for the last 35 years the bins are put just inside on our driveway.
Coincidently, our black bins were emptied about 10 minutes ago :first
Our bins have a number "11" on them. Hard for them to get mixed up.
Easy, just 2 white stripes of tape - you can buy wheelie bin numbers from B&Q or eBay.
I guess if you live in a more urban area, with flats or terrance housing the bins get clumped together.
The trick is to get out early and bag the best bin ... you can also put your rubbish in a less empty bin, when no one is looking.
Our binmen will take stuff left next to the bin, that won't fit in - within reason.
Last week they allowed me to put some extra green waste straight into the back of the lorry.
One problem these bright planning sparks and jobsworths didn't think about was the need to park/place your bank of wheelie bins at the front of your property.
Oh! let's give everyone a wheelie bin - no thought as to where people are supposed to keep them.
Not so easy pushing/pulling a full bin yards over a gravel drive :shakeinghead
Little old ladies will struggle.
Incidentally, category E clinical waste can go in your black bin, suitably bagged up.
Well at least in our council area - as posted many times before councils can make up their own rules - instead of having a national policy/rules.
When I worked on the bins I was a council employee. Now it's all privatised and I guess the wages are lower :shakeinghead
When I was doing it it was a well paid job with bonuses.
We got a monthly waste bonus - cardboard, paper, glass and metals. Was at least a week's wages. All the staff got the same and we were encouraged to collect and separate the waste. I spent a few weeks in the baling shed, sorting paper and cardboard and loading the baling machines. What couldn't be re-cycled was incinerated and the excess heat went round a local heating system in sheltered housing.
This was all back in the late '60s & early '70s.
We seem to have gone backwards.
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Mine have got house number on but still set sail, to be fair it has not happened as much of late.
Brown bin for green waste only allows branch diameter of little finger so it does not pull the chompers teeth out!
Trogging bins to and fro is hard and sometimes not possible if health impaired. If you leave them at drive end passers by put anything in, and that can get you stickered and you then have to empty and remove offending items.
Most commonly a split bag of dog mess ! That is when they don't bag it and throw it up a tree, in the road or in a field.
I frequently find stuff in my bins that are stored 60 foot of the highway. The word tresspass springs to mind, my gates were stolen.
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Hi Shed,
We have already purchased one BLACK wheelie bin, at about £70, "especially for the occasion", and it looks like we are going to have to buy another. But will the LA empty two bins?
Then there is the matter of the black bin lorry driver knowing that he needs to drive down our cul-de-sac, and reverse his 17 tonner back up, just on the off-chance that somebody has left a black wheely bin out for collection. I have never seen another black bin, and didn't know they existed, until a couple of weeks ago.. On the other hand, the week before last, was week was our first week, with the black bin being emptied, without prompting, for the first time.
Maybe the driver of the big green gulping machine spots the black bin, and phones it in. ???
OT, A couple of months ago, I noticed one of the bin-men was one of those young nubile people. Equal opportunities?
More OT, while on the subject, I no longer have to take a shower in front of a young lady social worker ... Barbara had reported that I felt "unstable" in that situation. (I did manage to maintain polite conversation).
MK is very different from the Swansea Valley, where I could just wander in to County Hall, unannounced, and have a casual chat with the Head Honcho in Planning, maps and plans spread over the counter, first name terms. On one occasion, I had to return a document by Friday.. Both of us had to sign, but Barbara was working in the Midlands that week. Solution was to get her to sign when she did get home, then nip round to the Mayors house (he was in the bath) get him to write a note on the envelope, authorising its late arrival, then hand it into Security at County Hall. The Planners phoned him the following morning to ask what was going on. Whatever, we got our five figure grant.
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Those where the days. The whole bin scenario is ridiculous these days.
Some 18 years ago we moved into a new build estate, first and only occupants for some weeks. We had no proper road, no street lighting and no refuse collection.
We tried withholding a sum of our Council tax payments as a sort of protest. Pay up or go to Court was the response. 'But we are not getting A,B,C' says I.
Tough, no facility is available to withhold any portion of your tax !
Whilst we had no collection we would often just try and lob it in the truck when they where at nearby property. Sometimes they where fine others not. Don't suppose it helped being a differnt council area ?
Ok, so move on some years and our bins suddenly stop being collected. Everyone in the close bar us and one neighbour. This was when we had weekly collections and each week I would report a missed collection, a little refuse truck would come out and collect.
After the fourth missed collection we get a knock on the door from a guy from the Council. He tells us that we have been leaving our bin in the wrong place, which was outside our house.
It was quite an irate conversation, apparently they should have been left ten foot to the right ! Now, I was not particularly bothered about this, but why could they just not let us know instead of creating the farce that it became ???
Well 'W' I do hope you get your waste situation sorted, it is not a problem you should be having to deal with like this.
And 2286, sorry to hear your gates where stolen. Just don't take offence 😂
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Hi,
Thanks for everyone's comments/advice.
For what it's worth, SCREWFIX etc sell RUBBLE SACKS, which basically are the same as ordinary black refuse sacks, but much tougher.
OK, I'm not in favour of paying for a commodity that I have already paid for in my Council Rates, but standing on a principle while magpies carve their way into standard bags full of unpleasant stuff, does not seem sensible.
Which still leaves the question about how the driver of the truck, dedicated to black bins, knows where to call. ??? He managed to find us the first time that I put a black bin out.
Surely, obstructing the foot path, or even the highway is an offence? My bins are placed on my drive, along the party fence, starting at the footpath/garden boundary. I'd be happy, to lay a cement "pad" along the garden boundary, dedicated to wheelie bins and bags, if it would help. But I bet I would still find my bins, in the road, several houses down. Green bins disappear. I assume black bins are less in demand. I once found a bottle box in my back garden. It had obviously been lobbed over the two metre high garden fence.
When we lived in the Swansea Valley, a charity paid to have a full size skip delivered to an unmade car park, in the middle of a council estate, every Wednesday afternoon. Twenty minutes later, it was brimming. The driver noticed my bag of plasterboard offcuts. Doh!
Plaster board is hazardous waste, it leaches a mild acid when wet. In which case, should it be used in kitchens and bathrooms?
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My local tip closed but I use the next closest which is a lot bigger although it's in the next county (8 miles away). Both my S2 and Defender are registered there and they also allow my 4 wheel Ifor too. Even though my vehicles are registered there are no cameras that I can see and I am taking a guess the folk working there don't remember every vehicle that's registered yet they never bat an eyelid so hats off to them. All they ask is that you put the right stuff in the right skip which isn't too much to ask. If you look in any way sheepish or in doubt they will pounce and put you right :-)
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They like to be different round here, so the green bin is for non recyclable waste and the brown bin for green waste. Cardboard has to be cut up into A3 pieces and put in a small plastic box or they just leave it ???
However, the tip makes no charges on anything and seems to accept all vehicles (including a Transit towing a 4 wheel trailer :stars
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That's my point ^^^
Each council chooses it own (rainbow) colours for their bins.
There should be a national standard, just like there is for electrical wiring.
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That's my point ^^^
Each council chooses it own (rainbow) colours for their bins.
There should be a national standard, just like there is for electrical wiring.
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Why ? Each Local Authority has the ability to operate in a way that it considers best works for its residents and every Authority has different conditions, a different mix of tower blocks, flats and commercial properties. 30% of "houses" here are holiday lets, some pay domestic rates and are entitled to bin collections, some claim "small business" exemption so don't pay rates and should have commercial bins with purple lids. ( £6.50 a pick-up). Some have the entire operation in house, others contracted parts out. It makes no difference to you is the neighbouring mob decide to put cardboard in sky-blue pink bins, some charge for garden waste some don't. Does yours provide free compost ? Mine does.... but the brown bin license costs £35 a year. You can buy extra Brown Bins if you like, at £35 each... This Authority uses two different sizes of truck, the smaller ones reserved to runs in rural areas with tighter roads and farm lanes. There is discussion of the potential for larger commercial type skips instead of having multiple bins from multiple houses/flats gathered in some spot in some areas....but these bigger skips are currently on 44 weeks "back-order" and while some people complain about too many bins, others will doubtless complain if expected to take (smaller) full bags 100m to the end of the road ?
Bins in the wrong place, not put back ? Does your Council operate a "pull out" service ? Mine does, those who require it (elderly, disabled) can register and the bins are shifted for them.
How does the crew know where they are and what bins are what ? GPS linked tracking kit in the cab showing the run in detail is used here. The kit knows if the truck drove past and did not collect your bin, or missed the street entirely... Next step will be bar-coded bins I suspect, linked to a property address.
...and ask what shift pattern your crews work. Some shift patterns mean the crew are not on the same run again for months, have no ownership of the job.
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I can take my landy to the tip , there are charges for different kinds of waste , rubble for instance is classified as land fill but is inert , sand the same , so if you buy a bag of sand for £ 1.50 it will cost you £1.80 to dispose of it at the tip , the bag size is based on a 25kg unit as purchased. Glass is recyclable , however if you take it to the tip you are instructed to dispose of it in the landfill at no charge , my neighbour just disposed of an entire conservatory at no cost , plastic went in general waste the glass into the landfill ,plasterboard has to be bagged into said 25kg size bag at 6 pounds per bag , the charges were explained as paying for clearing fly tipping around the Cornish lanes ,it isn't working , it is actually encouraging fly tipping. The operatives are usually seated at the tip some wear body cams, they absolutely refuse to help the public
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Hi,
Sorry, I'd already added a comment suited to this thread on another thread, before reading this thread.
Is it possible to access minutes of council meetings to see which councillors voted which way? If all else fails, everybody is entitled to spectate at council meetings, to see who said what, and which way they voted ... or even if they attended the meeting. Planning meetings are often quite amusing ... with comments such as "You b***** liar!" Noticing a constituent in the gallery can affect a members input.
Alan, it was interesting to learn that you have been "Round the block!"
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John, every council meeting should have minutes available to the Public. Stirling Council records theirs and makes them available on Facebook, others may do the same. Ours from last month was 5 hours long, edited with adjournments and Lunch deleted to something just over 2 hours.... The one you are interested in will be the annual Budget setting and you will be faced with documents 1/2 in thick I suspect...
[Cynic On] The party who stood last month on a Manifesto of returning to the previous 2 weekly bin collection scheme did not include that idea in their Budget proposal last year so I leave it to the reader to wonder if their zeal is related to winning votes or any actual plan to do anything about it.... [Cynic Off]
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My local Councillor took it up, but got nowhere.