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Title: Whats this?
Post by: oilstain on May 22, 2022, 09:35:25 AM
In my spares shed I found this panel, elephant hide so S1 or early 11 I guess..
Any thought where it fits ???


Title: Re: Whats this?
Post by: diffwhine on May 22, 2022, 09:55:44 AM
Seat back for a bench seat?
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Post by: Matt Reeves on May 22, 2022, 10:06:30 AM
From a 109" Station Wagon perhaps?
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Post by: Noddy on May 22, 2022, 10:20:39 AM
Looks a bit like the panel from between the 2nd row door and the side window right hand side from a 109 SW.

Alec
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Post by: oilstain on May 22, 2022, 10:44:12 AM
Jist to add it measures about 8 1/2" x 18 1/2"
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Post by: Wijendra on May 22, 2022, 10:54:39 AM
Looks a bit like the panel from between the 2nd row door and the side window right hand side from a 109 SW.

Alec
Spot on part number 331186
Title: Re: Whats this?
Post by: oilstain on May 22, 2022, 12:33:48 PM
Spot on part number 331186
Is this a S11 109 Station Wagon part?
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Post by: Wijendra on May 22, 2022, 12:47:20 PM
Is this a S11 109 Station Wagon part?

Same part number for 88 and 109 station wagons, quoted this number as in the pictures the material looks like it is grey elephant hide, the part number for the Black vinyl was carried through to series 3 production as well,
Title: Re: Whats this?
Post by: Craig T on May 23, 2022, 10:27:36 AM
Not a great photos but, yes, front of the rear sliding window trim panel. Right hand side 109" or 88" station wagon.

Craig.
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Post by: 2286 on May 23, 2022, 12:18:30 PM
I did wonder why land rover made the upper trim from vinyl wrapped aluminium and the door cards from hardboard that curls up due to moisture or turns to powder.
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Post by: Exile on May 23, 2022, 05:34:37 PM
I did wonder why land rover made the upper trim from vinyl wrapped aluminium and the door cards from hardboard that curls up due to moisture or turns to powder.

They were still doing this years later.

I have had to search the world for a rear door card, correct for an '83 One Ten, as the original item has done just as you described!
(There are, of course, plenty of aftermarket look-unlikes available.  :shakeinghead)
Title: Re: Whats this?
Post by: oilstain on May 24, 2022, 11:06:19 AM
Not a great photos but, yes, front of the rear sliding window trim panel. Right hand side 109" or 88" station wagon.

Craig.
O/T sorry but looking at your first picture of the behind the seat "bar" if this was fitted to a 88" after the top section of the rear bulkhead was cut away would it allow the front seat backs to be further back than standard giving more room in the front :bright-idea
Title: Re: Whats this?
Post by: 2286 on May 24, 2022, 12:26:11 PM
Exile re 83 110 you have the rare alloy door top front and rear model then?  I though the lower door card on those was a moulded plastic item, or did the factory use some run out bits from the s3?

Craggle, the seat position is further back and sw's have adjustable runners. 

Although sturdy I personally would not chop the tub and trust this in its place.  I think the load needs to be spread over a greater area and the plates and seams allow.  You may find flexing and point loading and fatigue if you did go this way.

Not sure what was done in the 88 carawagon.

The only vehicle I recall that did use this brace was a factory 100 coiler from 1976 that dunsfold had. That had mgb seats.
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Post by: Moogling on May 24, 2022, 01:23:25 PM
Exile re 83 110 you have the rare alloy door top front and rear model then?  I though the lower door card on those was a moulded plastic item, or did the factory use some run out bits from the s3?



Side doors were a plastic moulded item,  but the rear load bay door was a hardboard one like series stuff.  Those were used right up until td5.
Title: Re: Whats this?
Post by: Exile on May 24, 2022, 05:24:40 PM
Moogling is right, but the early rear door card didn't last that long. It changed colour and design over the years as the rear door itself had different features introduced. (For instance rear wash wipe/wiper motor housing/bottom door stay position, etc....)
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Post by: Moogling on May 24, 2022, 09:55:50 PM
Yeah, sorry I meant they stayed hardboard, not that they we're changed at all in that run!  :cheers
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Post by: 2286 on May 25, 2022, 02:13:02 PM
Am I right in thinking that when rear door got a factory wiper, the washer bottle was stowed behind the door trim.  Just in case there was not enough water build up to rot the frame and curl the trim.
Title: Re: Whats this?
Post by: Craig T on May 26, 2022, 08:47:38 AM
I had an early 90 / 110 door on my series III for a while and that had a water bag thing in the rear door for the washer fluid.
Our later 110 had the washer jet on the body work, roof panel I believe so the pipe didn't have to flex through the door opening and closing.

Not sure if series vehicles ever had rear washers?

Craig.
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Post by: diffwhine on May 26, 2022, 09:22:07 AM
Pretty sure not... I think the bidet option came in Ninety / One Ten along with the heated rear screen.
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Post by: Exile on May 26, 2022, 05:55:15 PM
I think the bidet option came in Ninety / One Ten along with the heated rear screen.

People often forget that the One Ten was launched in March 1983, some 15 months before the Ninety.

The rear wash/wipe and heated rear screen were not an option on the early One Tens. (It is not in the Brochure, Price List or first Parts Book).

Both were available on the first Ninetys at launch in June 1984. It is logical to assume that they became available for the "Facelift" One Tens at the same time.

Irrelevant, but as well as sliding windows, the first One Tens had the Series type sliding door restraints that didn't hold the door open. The click-to-hold-open door restraints also came in with the first Ninetys.

People take such luxuries for granted these days! :-X
Title: Re: Whats this?
Post by: Moogling on May 27, 2022, 06:23:03 AM
Am I right in thinking that when rear door got a factory wiper, the washer bottle was stowed behind the door trim.  Just in case there was not enough water build up to rot the frame and curl the trim.

I've definitely seen pictures if this arrangement that seemsd very factory
Title: Re: Whats this?
Post by: Exile on May 27, 2022, 10:08:42 PM
Yes. When the Ninety CSW was launched, the washer bottle was behind the trim on the rear door.

Can't tell you how long this lasted though.
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Post by: 2286 on May 28, 2022, 11:16:01 AM
The only other vehicle that I have encountered that used a washer pouch rather than a bottle was a bedford cf.

They had it under the bonnet subject to engine temp it either melted or went brittle and cracked.  The stopper was a bung not a screwed cap.  So it still got a hard life even if left in situ on it two hooks!

Interesting fact re door check straps and when factory rww and hrw came in.

Motor factors used to sell those stick on foil affairs with the width element bars.

My 12 seater had a direct drive wiper from a tractor mounted at the very top of the door.  Functional but ugly.
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Post by: diffwhine on May 28, 2022, 06:56:19 PM
I vaguely recall our 1974 VW van having a pressurised washer bladder / bag. I think it was pressurised with a feed off the spare tyre valve... :thud

So you could run out of screenwash and have a totally flat spare tyre... Really helpful.