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The Real 'Non-hearsay' - Properly dangerous, new parts thread.
There’s hearsay evidence of truly dangerous new parts out there. Can we separate the hearsay, the hogwash and rumour? It would be a good idea to see the truth of this issue. Is this really a problem, if so how bad is it?
Posts about a rumour, and “I heard a bloke say”, not permitted. This thread for real properly dangerous new parts. New parts, properly fitted, you’ve seen with you own eyes that were dangerous by manufacture.
New parts only. This thread is not for fitment errors.
And what happened. I’ll kick-off…
1) Mintex Shoes: Rear 109 - Adjuster pins dropped-out. Rear 109 shoes.
I was brought to screeching-halt. No harm done, broadly because I tootling along. In a different situation, could have been rather nastier
2) Mintex Shoes: Rear 109 - No leading edges
I was able to doctor these with an angle-grinder to match existing. How many will have spotted this? There must be many a Defender out there with substandard rear drums. (same shoes).
Idi Admin, please delete all posts which do not detail proper life-threatening /injury "I saw this" issues
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Hi :tiphat plus one for the faulty Mintex pads only this last weekend we investigated an issue with the brakes on the rear of my 88” and found one of the adjuster pins almost off :cheers Paul
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Pix one more time. In my case Mintex refused replacements under warranty. Photo evidence of my two issues (details here):
https://www.series2club.co.uk/new_forum/index.php/topic,1208.0.html
Mintex MGR58
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No pictures but I personally have experienced an aftermarket steering relay shaft shear off. Fortunately it happened turning into the drive at home so was low speed. I have also seen another bought from the same source do exactly the same, on a 2b 110fc. Mine was on a 2.25d 88".
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:agh also had the same problems with the mintex adjuster pins.
they were loose and pull off with fingers ???
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No pictures but I personally have experienced an aftermarket steering relay shaft shear off. Fortunately it happened turning into the drive at home so was low speed. I have also seen another bought from the same source do exactly the same, on a 2b 110fc. Mine was on a 2.25d 88".
Do you still have the broken shaft?
Someone once asked me as he has access to metallurgy equipment and it would be interesting to see why it broke.
Robin.
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Do you still have the broken shaft?
Someone once asked me as he has access to metallurgy equipment and it would be interesting to see why it broke.
Robin.
I was at Britpart a few years ago, doing a workshop magazine article. I brought up these having seen a few pictures of failed ones recently, we then put a brand new relay in a vice and an 8 foot pole on the other end of the shaft. It didn't fail, but that didn't put my mind to rest.
The problem with alot of Chinese stuff is you get what you pay for which can often mean all sorts of metallurgy issues, with only a percentage of a batch being in tolerance...
I'm sure, many of us, given the option of paying more for guaranteed kwality, we would.
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No pictures but I personally have experienced an aftermarket steering relay shaft shear off. Fortunately it happened turning into the drive at home so was low speed. I have also seen another bought from the same source do exactly the same, on a 2b 110fc. Mine was on a 2.25d 88".
Was it £60 inc delivery? :whistle
That is a properly scary part to fail.
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After hearing these accounts over the years, I'd simply never use a steering relay that wasn't a proper old LR part, I'd rather even use an old knackered one than risk it tbh...
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:ditto
RE the brake shoe pins:
Who fits shoes with loose pins ???
Who doesn't check the security of the pin(s) after all our bad experience posts ???
By this I mean a good leverage waggle ... and if they passed this check - did they still fail ?
Suppliers won't refund you ???
Take them to the small claims court.
It costs £25 to do it online (£35 by post).
You can claim all your out of pocket ex's and for the cost of a decent set of brake shoes made by the like of TRW.
I'm sure they won't contest it and offer some compo before it goes to court ???
Keep all your receipts and if you can photograph the repair/work done - process; so you can show it was done properly and by the book.
:RHD
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Britpart master cylinder for a 1968 109 fitted whilst at a show in Kent.
The push rod was slightly longer than the original unit. This prevented it fully opening to release brake pressure. I was on a motorway when the brakes started to bind. Eventually stuck on the hard shoulder with brakes locked on until I cracked off the bleed nipples to release pressure. Then I could recover myself from the motorway.
This was at least 5 years ago as it was at War and Peace show at Folkestone.
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Do you still have the broken shaft?
Someone once asked me as he has access to metallurgy equipment and it would be interesting to see why it broke.
Robin.
I have one here with a bent shaft. If you want I can try and find the time to strip it out and send it to you.
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I'll add Steering relay, 2 to 3000 miles and so worn failed bearings. Pulled it out at Kelmarsh, drove home ( wife's car) cut a used original one out of a cross member, fitted it Saturday morning and went off roading. Still in there doing sterling service
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I have experience of Britpart LWB front shoes that refuse to bed in and simply will not stop. IE you cant physically press the pedal hard enough.
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This thread has been running a while. Seems to me, whilst even one 'dangerous' part is too many, broadly it's not the chronic issue reports would have us believe.
Steering relay breakages can't be good. I suspect they've been braking at parking-speeds, and Mintex shoes? Well, they haven't hurt anyone... that we know about... yet.
And life is not risk-free.
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I too had the Mintex shoe problem. It was 3 or 4 years ago though. They went in the bin a few weeks ago when I had a loft clearout.
Paul
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I've been lucky I guess, the mintex set on mine has been fine and in use for 3 yrs. If folk are binning new sets, bin em in my direction and I'll just weld the posts back on ! ;)
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Britpart
Replacement foot well holes all in wrong place.
Britpart poly bush suspension tube wrong size hole found halfway through changing , complaint raised but no response returned and refunded.
Mintex shoes dusting returned via supplier and complaint chased for months no response other than refund.
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The Mintex shoes I've recently fitted have dusted terribly, a real build up on the lining surface.
With these and new Paddock brake drums I'm still getting vibrating brake pedal, despite trying 100+9's cure.
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The Mintex shoes I've recently fitted have dusted terribly, a real build up on the lining surface.
With these and new Paddock brake drums I'm still getting vibrating brake pedal, despite trying 100+9's cure.
My reply...
https://www.series2club.co.uk/new_forum/index.php/topic,1025.30.html (https://www.series2club.co.uk/new_forum/index.php/topic,1025.30.html)
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I too suffered a sheared steering relay on my 88. Can't vouch for brand as it was fitted to the motor before I bought it but the accompanying receipt from paddocks was in the region of £38 or so from memory. Second hand genuine one in now and has given trouble free service for years now. I do have some photos somewhere, and indeed the broken relay.
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It's a few years ago now,but Britpart were selling brake drum screws with a rounded top that sat proud of the drum countersink when screwed home.
I tried to point this out to a very disinterested Britpart that this would mean the roadwheel would not be fitted flat to the drum,but would rest onto the tops of the three small screws.
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I bought a load of these ^ as that was all Paddock were selling.
Cannot understand why they kept selling them. >:(
I was forever grinding these down and cutting a new slot in them.
Do they actually condescend to sell correct ones now?
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I too suffered a sheared steering relay on my 88. Can't vouch for brand as it was fitted to the motor before I bought it but the accompanying receipt from paddocks was in the region of £38 or so from memory. Second hand genuine one in now and has given trouble free service for years now. I do have some photos somewhere, and indeed the broken relay.
I am following up on this thread because I know the subject came up more recently and I can't find it.
Failed steering relays - if anyone has one which is representative to a current problem, I have had a chat with the relevant metallurgist who specialises in bolt failures (we are not talking small domestic bolts here). He is quite happy to have a look, from which he should be able to establish whether the failure is due to fatigue, fast fracture or fatigue-initiated fracture. If it is fast fracture it should be apparent whether this is due to inclusions within the metal.
If anyone wants to go ahead with this, drop me a PM. Results can be shared publicly on the forum but not attributed formally to the analyst (ie it will be good information but not for a legal position).
Cheers
Alec
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It was forum name Mowersman who had one fail recently.
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Hi,
When I was "into" horses, some "bits" (that co into horse's mouths) were being sold, despite having sharp edges.
The explanation was that the "Third World" labour who manufactured these "bits" had no idea what we were going to do with them.
Maybe the car parts in question have the same problem?
OT ... the phone rang. Barbara answered ... then screamed that RITUL was calling me. Ritul lives in Mumbai, used to drive a Series 2, which is how we "met". He was visiting UK to buy a gear-cutting tool for the family business. He seemed very impressed with the traffic on the M1.
From his feedback, he also seemed very impressed with the tool he bought.
602
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I am following up on this thread because I know the subject came up more recently and I can't find it.
Failed steering relays - if anyone has one which is representative to a current problem, I have had a chat with the relevant metallurgist who specialises in bolt failures (we are not talking small domestic bolts here). He is quite happy to have a look, from which he should be able to establish whether the failure is due to fatigue, fast fracture or fatigue-initiated fracture. If it is fast fracture it should be apparent whether this is due to inclusions within the metal.
If anyone wants to go ahead with this, drop me a PM. Results can be shared publicly on the forum but not attributed formally to the analyst (ie it will be good information but not for a legal position).
Cheers
Alec
Hi Alec
I haven't had a chance to strip mine down yet, but will be doing so doon, as I received a NOS shaft the other day. When I do, I'll PM you about it.
Andrew