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I am trying to put together a reasonably original and complete toolkit for my 61 S2 Station Wagon.
What original Fire extinguisher was used for this model ? ( I am obviously going to get a modern one as well)
What inspection lamp would be appropriate.
Thanks
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The optional fire extinguisher would likely be the brass Pyrene hand operated pump type, as fitted to military models up to 1964, though unpainted.
I can take a picture of the one in my 1961 mk6 for you tomorrow if that would help.
Matt.
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When you buy one try to get an empty one as the stuff inside is bad for you should it leak of be set off
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The one in my 59 is a Kerko hand pump job , brass black ground on embossed lettering
Chris
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Whilst a original type brass or chrome extinguisher may well look "right" it will not be much use to put out a fire.
Some years ago I was stuck behind a queue of traffic on a narrow road in Cornwall with a crash about 15 cars up ahead. A trapped drive in a car burnt to death before help arrived and none of us in the queue had a extinguisher
:shakeinghead
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I have used an ex mil pyrene extinguisher to successfully put a fire out but it left everything stained pink. They put a dye in to stop the squaddies from using the contents to get grease spots off uniforms.
Peter
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The optional fire extinguisher would likely be the brass Pyrene hand operated pump type, as fitted to military models up to 1964, though unpainted.
I can take a picture of the one in my 1961 mk6 for you tomorrow if that would help.
Matt.
Please can you post a picture. Thanks
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The inspection lamp looks a bit like this:-
(http://www.series2club.co.uk/gallery/technical/images/inspection%20lamp%20bulb.jpg)
Better with the 5W bulb in my opinion.
Make sure you have enough lead to go round into the engine bay.
I've fitted an inline on/off switch to mine.
From the optional extras catalogue ...
Note the finish is chrome.
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Thanks for the info and pictures
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When you buy one try to get an empty one as the stuff inside is bad for you should it leak of be set off
It is really nasty stuff if inhaled and you can absorb it through your skin. It can cause damage to your nervous system, liver and kidneys. No wonder it was banned from fire extinguishers. As Winchman says best to have an empty one.
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I seem to remember that they are quite good at squirting water.
Peter
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The generic name for this type of fire extinguisher is/was Pyrene :fire
Pyrene was the name of the company manufacturing portable (pump action) fire extinguishers - until they became Chubb Fire Security ....
Pyrene was/is the trade name for the chemical carbon tetrachloride - an excellent industrial solvent, but sadly now found to be extremely toxic to animal and aquatic life.
:wiki
read here for more info (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pyrene_Company_Limited)
If you come across an old fire extinguisher that's still full of liquid you really need to seek professional advice on how to dispose of the contents. :scientist
What's the question here ???
A decent recommended fire extinguisher that can put a vehicle fire out safely - or a period accessory to complete the equipment in a restored vehicle ???
If the later - find an empty one - car autojumbles and the like.
(http://www.series2club.co.uk/gallery/technical/images/LWT_dash_panel.jpg)
Here I have the army one for show - and a modern working unit in case of fire!
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Can't help with the original display extinguisher type, but these look good for the modern one. Very small so easy to hide out of view, behind seat etc and a 10 year shelf life. No problem with vibration damage etc (as per owder extinguishers) and no damage to the vehicle if used, other than that caused by the fire.
https://firesafetystick.com/
They had a stand at the NEC car show so had a look, considering one for my 2CV which has no storage space.
Not linked to them, just passing on an interesting thing I viewed at the NEC as well as the Series 2 club stand.
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The downside of having an empty fire extinguisher is that in an emmergency someone might go to grab it and use it causing a delay. I think Alan has the best idea. You would have to remove his modern one to get at the museum piece.
Peter
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Don’t get too hung up about carbon tetrachloride. It generally won’t do you any harm unless in large doses. It used to be used in most industries as a cleaning product. We had a big bottle in our drawing office for cleaning the drawing boards and it got splashed about fairly liberally. No one came to any harm.
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This is the military Pyrene in my 1961 Rover Mk6. It's brass under the paint and is WD marked and dated on the handle. The decal on the military version is different to the civvy type (and is usually missing or overpainted).
I have mine filled with water, it stops the internal plunger from rattling and would be of some use on certain fires I suppose. I carry a modern extinguisher too.
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Don’t get too hung up about carbon tetrachloride. It generally won’t do you any harm unless in large doses. It used to be used in most industries as a cleaning product. We had a big bottle in our drawing office for cleaning the drawing boards and it got splashed about fairly liberally. No one came to any harm.
We used loads of it, sporadically. I think, like most industries nasties, it’s excessive exposure over prolonged periods that does the real damage.
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We used loads of it, sporadically. I think, like most industries nasties, it’s excessive exposure over prolonged periods that does the real damage.
From the little I know about it, if your employer is using it they shouldn't if a less toxic alternative is available.
Under high temperatures in air, it forms poisonous phosgene.
It is one of the most potent hepatotoxins (toxic to the liver).
High concentrations attack the central nervous system, degenerate the liver and kidneys.
I cant remember if its accumulative or not, but I feel its best avoided.
Off to put my safety soap box away
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I am referring to a workplace nearly forty years ago. As Alan said, it’s not been in common use for decades.
Another common solvent we regularly used was chloroform; particularly useful for welding sheet plastic.
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Under high temperatures in air, it forms poisonous phosgene.
Makes it ideal as an extinguisher (of the operator not the fire)