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Main Section => Workshop Wisdom => 602's Musings => Topic started by: w3526602 on January 13, 2023, 07:05:15 PM
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Hi,
A couple of days ago, I notice that my "next-door-neighbour but two" has a car-charging point nailed to the front wall of his house , I think with a wire into his meter box.
I must knock on his door and introduce myself. I have already done a Google for these devices, but have forgotten the details.
Do street-side meters provide a VAT receipt for Business users? I assume that home chargers have a meter dedicated to vehicle charging, and the Revenue Men will be able to compare the "miles used for business" claimed, with other business evidence? Will the installation cost of the meter be VAT and IR tax deductable? Ditto battery powered Disability vehicle chargers?
Tears before bedtime?
Would anybody care to comment on the advisability, or otherwise, of "buying" a new car on PCP ... let the hire company pay to replace the batteries, when the hire period ends?
602
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Hope you have deep pockets if you want an EV charging point.
If you're not a business users I wouldn't worry about that.
Rather than outright purchase consider leasing a vehicle, all the rage now.
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Rather than outright purchase consider leasing a vehicle, all the rage now.
Hi Alan,
Is that PERSONAL CONTRACT HIRE (or something like that)?
If so, it's already in mind, but not yet investigated. I believe the money men hit you in the wallet if you exceed your forecast mileage? Barbara's Hyundai's HP was paid off, while still below 10,000 miles, and it's first MOT.
I'm trying to forecast whether Barbara will ever get out of bed again, which would justify a WAV.
And yet again, our "ladies" have arrived,. Doh! Its 06.35hrs! 605,
602.
I have a bloke this morning. :thud
602
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Be funny if/when they start doing these much threatened power cuts.. Where will the wonderful electric cars be then eh? :shakeinghead
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.... and you'll soon be paying road tax for EVs :shakeinghead
whereas my little diesel Fiesta is nil £s tax (just renewed yesterday) and 60 mpg :first
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A new EV charge point in a home requires installation of a "smart" meter :shakeinghead. This will allow your EV to be used as a battery at peak times to boil someone else's kettle. They will also need to assess whether your supply is capable of supporting the extra load.
If you just tootle about locally then maybe worth it, if you ignore the actual cost of the vehicle, but for anyone living out in the sticks like me it would be madness - the infrastructure just isnt there. Leasing is not cheap either.
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I see tesla just knocked a few grand off the price of their cars much to the annoyance of a neighbour who got one at the old price just before christmas.
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Hi All,
I would expect a bungalow built in 1984, in Milton Keynes, to be up to the job of supporting an EV charger.
But hey, what do I know?
602
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A new EV charge point in a home requires installation of a "smart" meter :shakeinghead. This will allow your EV to be used as a battery at peak times to boil someone else's kettle. They will also need to assess whether your supply is capable of supporting the extra load.
If you just tootle about locally then maybe worth it, if you ignore the actual cost of the vehicle, but for anyone living out in the sticks like me it would be madness - the infrastructure just isnt there. Leasing is not cheap either.
Not without an inverter as well.
Not sure why you need a smart meter either ???
As the max 7kW home charger can take up to 32 amps you do need a 100 amp feed into your consumer unit from meter and a spare "way" to feed armoured cable out to outside wall and on to charger though.
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You dont "need" a smart meter, but apparently they will tell you they need to fit one if you want to use the lower tariffs available for off peak charging. (for a new installation)
Bi directional charging is what the government is working towards https://www.wired.co.uk/article/the-future-of-electric-vehicle-charging-is-bidirectional-if-you-can-afford-it
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Hi Worf,
What do you mean by "new installation" ?
Wiring a new house? Or just wiring in a new car battery charger?
602
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It has to be hard wired and therefore a qualified electrician must do it as it's a new installation.
Is it really worth the aggro for no gain whatsoever?
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A gallon of petrol costs £x (must check) and takes you say 30 miles, how much does electricity cost to drive your same size electric car 30 miles ???
(Overlooking all the other costs but just the "fuel") :stars
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You dont "need" a smart meter, but apparently they will tell you they need to fit one if you want to use the lower tariffs available for off peak charging. (for a new installation)
Bi directional charging is what the government is working towards https://www.wired.co.uk/article/the-future-of-electric-vehicle-charging-is-bidirectional-if-you-can-afford-it
The concept sounds sensible and much like exporting excess PV panel solar power at the moment. The problem is that this energy can never reach the grid per se as the infrastructure is not yet bi-directional. This because the many voltage reducing transformers are designed to work in one direction only supplying the consumer, so exported energy needs to be absorbed on local 240 volt networks. For this reason individual home PV installations are limited without prior permission, to a maximum of around 3.7kW. Obviously those living in towns and cities are more likely to be granted use of larger PV installations if required.
Given this situation it's going to be some time before EV batteries are able to offer unlimited exports. I believe Tesla already offer a power wall that does allow some integration of grid, PV and local battery energy to benefit EV charging though.
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A new EV charge point in a home requires installation of a "smart" meter :shakeinghead. This will allow your EV to be used as a battery at peak times to boil someone else's kettle. They will also need to assess whether your supply is capable of supporting the extra load.
If you just tootle about locally then maybe worth it, if you ignore the actual cost of the vehicle, but for anyone living out in the sticks like me it would be madness - the infrastructure just isnt there. Leasing is not cheap either.
You don't need/ require a smart meter to have an EV charge point fitted - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1078138/Guide-to-evscp-regulations-2021-V2.1.pdf (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1078138/Guide-to-evscp-regulations-2021-V2.1.pdf)
You need the install to be provided with a suitable means of communication to allow DSR.
A lot of newer properties may indeed struggle with supporting the loads imposed by EV's and heat pumps going forward. We routinely pull an average of 80A between 00:30 - 04:30.
We live 12 miles from Huntly/ 15 miles from Inverurie so pretty much out in the sticks and have managed with an EV for 4 1/2yrs (admittedly backed up with diesel Skoda and a 110).
I agree with you on the cost front - despite what the industry said it is a deliberate pricing policy as they could be produced for less.
Regards
Richard
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The concept sounds sensible and much like exporting excess PV panel solar power at the moment. The problem is that this energy can never reach the grid per se as the infrastructure is not yet bi-directional. This because the many voltage reducing transformers are designed to work in one direction only supplying the consumer, so exported energy needs to be absorbed on local 240 volt networks. For this reason individual home PV installations are limited without prior permission, to a maximum of around 3.7kW. Obviously those living in towns and cities are more likely to be granted use of larger PV installations if required.
Given this situation it's going to be some time before EV batteries are able to offer unlimited exports.
I'm not sure from what point of knowledge you post so I'll try and be precise in my reply.
How much of the network do you think is non bi-directional? The prescribed limit per phase is 16A but, with the DNO agreement this can be 'stretched' to 32A as it is here with us with a limit of 7.4kW imposed by SSEN. The power from our property goes directly to the PMT and into an 11kV line.
Managing this on a larger scale with ever increasing amounts of installed Solar PV/ batteries.
Generally speaking the two issues with V2G is the current unwillingness of manufacturers to agree a standard or even whether the converter should be fitted to the car or the inverter/ charger unit attached to the house - likely to end up in the unit attached to the house. This will be a pain and will need subsidy for wide adoption amongst an ever increasing install of normal EV chargers.
Regards
Richard
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You don't need/ require a smart meter to have an EV charge point fitted - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1078138/Guide-to-evscp-regulations-2021-V2.1.pdf (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1078138/Guide-to-evscp-regulations-2021-V2.1.pdf)
Look like I have confused smart meter with smart charger. :stars Either way, someone other than you can co9ntrol things.
Look like I have confused smart meter with smart charger. Either way, someone other than you can control things#
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It has to be hard wired and therefore a qualified electrician must do it as it's a new installation.
Hi,
My builder is Irish ... with a degree, but I have not yet asked to see the evidence. On the other hand, I have no reason to doubt him. A lovely man.
When we first met, to discuss the re-installation of a "slipper" bath (the previous owner/occupier had changed to a wheel-chair friendly shower), which seemed a good idea at the time, as Barbara was still walking). he suggested cutting the outer wall away beneath the window, and extending the bathroom into the side-passage between bungalow and garage.
I think there was £10,000 difference between a flat roof over the extension, or linking the two pitched roofs. The bungalow and garage use the same roof trusses, but at 90* to each other,
The bungalow is nominally 7 metres wide, while the garage is nominally 7 metres long.
His latest suggestion is to extend the bathroom into the stupidly narrow "man-cave", thereby halving it's work-shop floor area, but we have not given that any serious consideration, yet. Our most urgent task is getting Barbara out of bed, and into her power-chair.
Do not grow old ... it hurts ... and is expensive..
602