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[diffwhine]

I agree... I'm tempted to buy it back off him at some point. Quite fancy something as practical and sensible as that.

[2286]

I think issues tend to come to light when ownership changes.

If it was built long ago and has been continuously owned for a lengthy period of time and not bought to make a fast buck or avoid tax and test through blatant misrepresentation it may be treated differently by the powers.

Brian adams had a factory built 100" by land rover, and there were of course prototypes and factory mules.  There were some done for the swiss army.

I remember looking at a 2dr rrc that had been basterdised to accept l322 front and rear lights, it had tdi engine and box courtesy of a deceased disco (no problem with that).  The owner wanted stupid money due to the build year, which had it been correct would have made it a suffix a and an earley one at that.

The chassis number on the logbook and the reg belonged to a series 2a!

[diffwhine]

Actually to be clear, Bryan Adams' 100" was also based on a Classic rolling chassis. I don't think it was actually factory built, but they did have factory support. The issue being that to get it in to Canada, they had the 25 year rule (or something similar).

[2286]

Diffwine I will consider myself told off re brian adams factory built, I took it as gospel from off road international article about 30years ago.

The 25yr rule similar to usa but does that not require stricter adherence to bog standard vehicle than uk?

[2286]

Where do you start here

The case for the defence and prosecution.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/325505130037?hash=item4bc99e1e35:g:ByIAAOSwWqZjyVJf&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoP4l4kCSYNItJ0nI1hqRzcpL3UEfrjjve06G%2F4IYgZBUmHzuo5IXkpHhh%2BpFJ4weZyPW5PJyRm8zWsZHe%2BWD1UMCVr%2BtET3drxYfBxtvVmnxZqwMkENrb4x0QE06Cz1keD9oS360S%2FgzRD4pFSKmyW9lXIOH3tLNGNCO6UjaWHKqJ0uu%2B4UJjfUZjkLb9vFRQcDJFgQckCfp5SNzcbzmZlo%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8Cnlva5YQ

[w3526602]

Hi,

I have scanned most of the previous replies, but not the reply previous to this one ... it
hints of being serious reading

1) I wouldn't move/chop or modify any of the crossmembers or chassis rails.

2) If I were so inclined, I would be comfortable in removing and fitting different ancillary brackets  (engine mounts and mounting tabs).

I'd be happy to work within those parameters. even if it means adding extra   brackets, without removing the originals. I reckon I could, (but don't intend to)  fit Jaguar IRS suspension/axles,  front and rear, hung on subframes that would, in turn, be hung on the original four original leaf spring locations at each end of an unmodifed chassis. It would almost be fun doing it ... Roll on LOTTO.

Government Departments tend to refuse giving advice. Instead the say that "Interpretation of the Law" can only be achieved by "The Courts". As far as I am aware, that means by The Court of Appeal, or even higher courts, with the winner being the side prepared to spend the most money on barristers, backed up by determination, ever deepening pockets ... and friends in High Place?.

602

Did Prince Phillip's 4x4 hearse have any interesting modifications ... as far as anybody is aware?

[JonB]

Mark, I would have thought the RRC would be fine even if it was modified more recently.  It sounds like you have the necessary 8 points via the chassis, axles, steering and suspension, meaning it’s still a RR on its original chassis no.

I think we all agree, it’s the RR’s or defenders that have a series ID added to an incorrect chassis that get us stewing (especially if they’re asking silly money or giving incorrect descriptions) and lead to new owners getting in the mire.

Jon

[diffwhine]

Good point Jon - I hadn't thought of it that way. We aren't actually hiding anything.

[2286]

On points allocation a dakar kit car should be on donor id not a q reg as some were?

[w3526602]

Hi,

Thanks for everybody's input. I think I will print it all off, and store in a pocketed "display folder" for future reference.

An idiot (worse than me) chopped the roof off an early Ford Escort. It sagged in the middle. 

A 1965 Reliant Scimitar GT  was rolled by, I think, Don Jones, proprietor of the garage in Tycroes, near Ammanford. A mate, Don Tovey, chopped the roof of the fibreglass body, with no drama, then sold it to my mate Gabe (Reg Gen Shipping) in the Swansea Valley. Gabe bolted a home-brewed tow-bar onto the rear chassis out-riggers, then towed a heavy caravan to the Royal Welsh Show, where he was exhibiting what could be done with honey, etc. By the time he arrived home, the rear outriggers had sagged, as there was no roof to keep the back end of the body in place. The doors became prone to opening at inconvenient moments.

I owned it for a spell, then gave it to my vet (Clive Adams in Ammanford).

Years passed, then Gabe found the car in a scrap yard in South Wales. I reported it to RSSOC, which started a discussion about it being a "factory" car. Apparently, experimental cars were always had an odd chassis number. This was chassis 17 (I think), but I know it wasn't a prototype.

The Scimitar GT, and Coupe (and Barbara's Sabre Six GT ... 361WYD ...Google might find a picture ... now a historic racing car) had 7ft 6in wheelbases, which is only 2" longer than a Land Rover 88", and had 16" wheels, with a removable body shell. You can (I assume) guess where this is going.

I am struggling to control my strange urges.

602

[diffwhine]

An idiot (worse than me) chopped the roof off an early Ford Escort. It sagged in the middle. 

That does not surprise me! I recall once being asked to do a complete interior trim swap on a Ford Sierra hatchback. This was seats, carpets, door cards and so on. Two of us working in a completely empty interior when suddenly the windscreen cracked. 4 open doors and a boot lid open. No seats bracing the floor pan and apparently this causes so much flex that the screen cracks. Does make you wonder about some modifications.

[w3526602]

Hi,

Going OT, but did any 81" Series Ones make it into Civvy Street?

I believe LR made 50 with LR engines, and 50 with RR (Champ?) engines, for the army to test before placing an order.

602

[370abc]

Yes one was offered to me in the early 90’s but I thought it was too much money. It had the RR engine and was rebuilt to a very high standard by a friend of mine.

[diffwhine]

There was one with the Land Rover Register display at Malvern the other week. I think they said it was the only one in private hands.

[The Shed]

Did Peter Galilee of LRO own one of these ?