Print

[PetrolFour]

Gibbo, if you can give me a square-on pic of that sticker with spot-on dimensions I'll produce the truly correct artwork with correct font/ sizing etc.

Correct proportions et  al. it'll look like it was type-set back in the day, by an old grey beard with far more skill than me, those skills are near dead.

[Steve_C]

Not sure if this is "original" but is over 20 years old so might be.

Steve

[Alan Drover]

If it's yours Steve, is it for sale?

[PetrolFour]

Not sure if this is "original" but is over 20 years old so might be.

Steve

If I exercise rivet-counter pedantry, I say that doesn't look 'original' or the product of 70s or 80s era typesetting. You could not easily produce that optically, for camera-ready which is how the original would be done. I call repro.

[Alan Drover]

It's highly unlikely I'll be able to get a genuine sticker.

[Steve_C]

If it's yours Steve, is it for sale?

It is mine but I wasn’t looking to sell it.

Steve

[34058]

If I exercise rivet-counter pedantry, I say that doesn't look 'original' or the product of 70s or 80s era typesetting. You could not easily produce that optically, for camera-ready which is how the original would be done. I call repro.

I disagree.  I have an original sticker that came with the overdrive that I bought new circa 1976 and it looks the same as this one.  My sticker is stuck to the front of a ring binder file that I used at college.  The printing used to wear off after a while so I used to carefully go over it again with a felt tipped pen.

David

[PetrolFour]

 I wouldn't call myself any typographer, yet it's all there. In 34058's I see the work of a type-setter from that era. Note the vertical to the last 'E' in OVERDRIVE not parrallel or showing consistent parallax to the I, and there's shift again on the other verticals. And no straight line across character-tops. Little kerning. Nothing wrong with this, that was how it was done in that era, what it does show is it was produced quickly via paste-up/ by hand.

I've done a little paste-up back in the day. Whereas SC's example goes the other way, is too perfect, ie: been thru' an Apple at some point. Auto-kerned. Minded to the accuracy this should get us, shows a laziness instead. Careless use of the 'shear' tool. It's not quite 'it'.

Shame 34058's has been 'doctored'. Gibbo 103 says he'll PM some pix.

[Calum]

Not sure if this is "original" but is over 20 years old so might be.

Steve

I would say so. Identical to the one that was fitted to my Carawagon which would have been fitted in the mid to late 70s at a guess. Certainly it was on it before it was laid up in 1990 or so, photos from back in the day show it clearly.

[Steve_C]

I would say so.

Back in 1999 when I had just acquired my Land Rover a passing chap stopped and handed me a very well used and oil-stained 1970's era Haynes Manual.
He said he'd owned a Land Rover in the early 80's and thought I could make use of the manual.
There were various invoices and pages torn from Land Rover magazines stuffed in between pages of the manual and also the overdrive sticker.
It seems reasonable to think that the sticker is from the same era as the manual and the invoices.
However, as they say on the TV programme "Fake or Fortune?" it's not a cast-iron provenance... but it's good enough for me.

Steve

[genocache]

Petrolfour, perhaps they don't look like the originals due to trademarking.

[PetrolFour]

Petrolfour, perhaps they don't look like the originals due to trademarking.

In the strictest sense there is a copyright issue, however Fairey as that entity with its trading name and associated registered trademark is not active. I've not looked, yet I'd be surprised if the mark is still registered. Iif it is, (WFEL still use the wings mark)  can't see they'll waste time/ money chasing us for cleaning-up stickers. But maybe.

My point:

Our 'stamping' radiator-grill ovals are 'old skool' and clearly not done with CAD/CAM. You can see it. Done by a highly skilled tool-maker back in the day, and not CAD/CAM.

From roughly the mid 80s the method to produce such stickers would use software. 60s/70s/early 80s era stuff would use paste-up.

Software alone leaves the result too precise. Done by hand, 60s/70s/mid 80s era paste-up by it's very nature is never truly precise, thus to produce it via software, you'd make the effort to put in one-or-two imperfections. If it's perfect, it cannot be original.

Paste-up has a 'look'. I'm old enough to be very familiar with both methods. If in production, no attempt to reproduce that 'look' gets put in, and it's not difficult... it's lazy and a clear sign of the use of software.

This is why it's possible to see 60s/70s/80s paste-up against sloppy reproductions with Adobe Illustrator. Hence the audit trail in the reproduction.

Likely the software operator is too young to have experience with paste-up, it's usually the fresh out of college staffer that does this in the print industry,  thus doesn't understand what it is he/she is trying to reproduce.



These stickers - If too perfect, cannot be original.

[Wittsend]

I have to ask ... Does it matter

[PetrolFour]

No.

[Alan Drover]

I don't think I'll bother getting a sticker after all.