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Land Rover is no more.
« on: April 19, 2023, 08:24:50 PM »

I've just read that JLR is to drop the Land Rover name. I was unable to read the complete article as it was in The Times and to carry on I would have to subscribe which I refuse to do. Another traditional British car brand joins the likes of Austin, Morris, Riley etc.
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Re: Land Rover is no more.
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2023, 08:37:24 PM »

Too late to edit but the Defender etc will still be manufactured but not using the Land Rover name.
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Re: Land Rover is no more.
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2023, 08:42:11 PM »

you can read the full thing here, you can put any subscription based news paper outlet into this website and it will allow you to read.
https://archive.is/Nldxc

all sounds very odd to me, no real reason, plus they're still going to be "JLR" and we all know what LR stands for ???
bit strange to drop a name they've spent the last 70+ years making and working on too. then again how many new defender owners even know about the old 'brand'.


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Re: Land Rover is no more.
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2023, 08:58:50 PM »

Think what the various names mean to potential customers - Range Rover & Discovery are up-market, comfortable and capable. Defender a bit more rugged - Land-Rover ?  Old school, boxy, agricultural ?  I can see where the Marketeers are going...

That said, a great shame - but what we drive and what JLR make parted company a very long time ago.
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Re: Land Rover is no more.
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2023, 09:02:32 PM »



That said, a great shame - but what we drive and what JLR make parted company a very long time ago.
Hear hear.
Thanks for the link GHOBHW.
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Re: Land Rover is no more.
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2023, 09:10:50 PM »

Hear hear.

To be pedantic and assuming I remember correctly, a Land Rover was a vehicle made from 1948 to 1984, first by the Rover Motor Company and then later British Leyland. A Range Rover was also just a model of car that later got to be transformed into a car make.

So dropping Land Rover as a "car make" is really just going back to how things were pre 1984?
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Re: Land Rover is no more.
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2023, 10:00:59 PM »


So dropping Land Rover as a "car make" is really just going back to how things were pre 1984?

Not really as there won't be anything called a Land Rover, there will be a Defender but any connection to the history is questionable at best.
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2023, 10:06:10 PM »

A strange, almost British Leyland-like decision. It binds Jaguar to Land Rover so as to make any decoupling of these two really quite different brand propositions (eg by any future owner) more difficult. Hmmm...
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Re: Land Rover is no more.
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2023, 10:34:27 PM »

Apparently the green oval remains but Land Rover won't be on Defenders, Discoveries or Range Rovers any more but the name will still be on spares packaging and the company will be known as JLR so Land Rover won't be disappearing entirely, just from the 3 variants.
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2023, 11:23:20 PM »

Jaguar Land Rover is to drop the 75-year-old “Land Rover” brand in a reboot of the automotive giant, which will also include a relaunch of Jaguar as an electric marque whose models will start at £100,000 a time.
The group’s first all-electric Range Rover, built in Solihull in the West Midlands, will also launch in 2024 as the company doubles its investment plans to £15 billion over the next five years as part of a strategy of to end all internal combustion engine models by 2036.
The company has, however, declined to explain from where it is going to source the batteries for its electric vehicles, other than to say that Tata, its Indian conglomerate parent, will build a gigafactory somewhere in Europe.
In the interim, batteries will be sourced from unnamed overseas suppliers. Those batteries appear likely to be brought into the UK, where they will be assembled into battery packs at the group’s Wolverhampton plant, which formerly made diesel engines, and at another facility at Hams Hall near Birmingham.
More than two years since the heavily loss-making and deeply indebted Jaguar Land Rover launched its “Reimagine” programme to revolutionise the company and plot a path to zero-emission automotive production, the group said it was now also going to reinvent itself as a “house of brands”.
Thierry Bolloré, who launched the programme, left the company at the end of the last year, citing personal reasons. The group has been silent over its progress in finding his replacement.
It has now decided to drop the Land Rover name — the holding company will become JLR — and it will split itself into four brands: the top-priced Range Rover; the off-road-capable Defender, built in Slovakia; Discovery, planned to be used as a family brand; and Jaguar, which is dropping its entire model line-up and starting again with three new vehicles.
The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh driving through Wellington, New Zealand, in a Land Rover in 1981
The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh driving through Wellington, New Zealand, in a Land Rover in 1981
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That will start with a £100,000 four-door high performance GT model, or grand tourer, to be built in Solihull. The company declined to comment on the other models but one will almost certainly be an heir to the two-door E-type sports car of the 1960s.
Gerry McGovern, JLR’s chief designer, said that Sir William Lyons, Jaguar’s founder, had originally demanded that the brand “will be a copy of nothing”. McGovern said that his role has been to take the marque back “out of the mainstream” and to once more produce vehicles that “will give a sense of never having been seen before”.
Adrian Mardell, the group’s finance director who has taken over as interim chief executive, admitted that the group has gone through a complete change of strategy and will reposition itself as a stable of “modern luxury” brands.
He conceded that a reinvention of the Jaguar brand was an attempt to complete “unfinished business” after the marque appeared to be in danger of falling into obscurity in the face of an assault on the electric market by Tesla and others.
Mardell said the group had financially turned a corner. Having gone back into profit during the last financial year, which closed at the end of last month, Mardell said that in the past six months it had harvested £1.3 billion of cash. That level of cashflow in the coming years, he said, will underpin investment of £3 billion a year over the next five years.
The cashflow has been created by the average price of JLR models mushrooming over the past four years from an average of £44,000 to £71,000. They are set to go even higher in the future. Four years ago the company needed to make 660,000 vehicles a year to break even, but that has now been more than halved to 300,000.
Mardell said the company will be net cash positive by 2025 and will have double-digit operating profit margins in the year after that.
The company declined to comment on what its reinvention means for jobs — it has an international workforce of 40,000 — other than to say that 29,000 staff are having to be “upskilled” to build, sell and service electric vehicles.
In addition to the first new electric Range Rover and Jaguar being built in Solihull, its Halewood factory on Merseyside, home of the Range Rover Evoque, will become an all-electric facility from 2025.
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Re: Land Rover is no more.
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2023, 07:31:55 AM »

The group said it was now also going to reinvent itself as a “house of brands”.


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Re: Land Rover is no more.
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2023, 08:01:41 AM »

As an ex-employee, all I can say is that I think they lost their way many years ago with the principle of "Premium Product, Premium Price". Then putting my former dealer's has on, I'd love to be a fly on the wall at any of the dealers who have spent millions of £££s rebranding the Twin Arch Jaguar / Land Rover concept.

Sad from a historical perspective, but as both my 2As were built by the Rover Co Ltd, not Land Rover and both show as Land Rover 88" Series 2A vehicles on the chassis plate, has anything really changed? Land Rover was a product of the Rover Company Ltd and now Defender is a product of JLR.

What it goes to prove to me is that JLR is less able to pull on it's heritage if it goes down this route - in reality that's all.
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2023, 08:12:13 AM »

If JLR's strategy is to focus on upmarket and unique luxury products then it makes a lot of sense for it to disassociate itself from the rather basic agricultural vehicles of its past that we drive and love.
I can't really fault JLR's logic here.
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Re: Land Rover is no more.
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2023, 08:24:25 AM »

As an ex-employee, all I can say is that I think they lost their way many years ago with the principle of "Premium Product, Premium Price". Then putting my former dealer's has on, I'd love to be a fly on the wall at any of the dealers who have spent millions of £££s rebranding the Twin Arch Jaguar / Land Rover concept.

Sad from a historical perspective, but as both my 2As were built by the Rover Co Ltd, not Land Rover and both show as Land Rover 88" Series 2A vehicles on the chassis plate, has anything really changed? Land Rover was a product of the Rover Company Ltd and now Defender is a product of JLR.

What it goes to prove to me is that JLR is less able to pull on it's heritage if it goes down this route - in reality that's all.

I'm a current employee - pulling my hair out !
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2023, 08:27:04 AM »

As an ex-employee, all I can say is that I think they lost their way many years ago with the principle of "Premium Product, Premium Price".

But did they? They have managed to stay in business, and now have more models than ever before.

With the overheads of engineering and manufacturing in the UK, they need to sell high margin products. We all know the Defender was sold at a loss for many years.

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