Post by: oilstain on January 07, 2020, 08:26:43 AM
In the January copy of Classic Land Rover I spoted this "new to me" version
https://cluster6.secure-staging.uk/red-moon.co.uk/product/clutch-lock-series-2-3/
£125!!!!!!!!
But any thoughts on is it any good/are others better ???
Post by: Peter Holden on January 07, 2020, 09:10:09 AM
You would need to lock the brake as well.
Peter
Post by: Nomisb on January 07, 2020, 10:27:03 AM
It is possible to drive a series without a clutch if you know how. I bet I could drive a defender without one
You would need to lock the brake as well.
Peter
Yep my wife tries it every time she drives my one...
Post by: oilstain on January 07, 2020, 11:20:26 AM
and lock the handbrake :thud
You would need to lock the brake as well.
Peter
Post by: Peter Holden on January 07, 2020, 11:33:43 AM
All security aids can be got round if they are determined to take it.
It is more a case of making them think that a different one would be a better bet.
Mine is quite exposed really but blocked in by other vehicles and our neighbourhood watch coordinator (Mrs Nosey) lives across the road.
Peter
Post by: Wittsend on January 07, 2020, 11:56:21 AM
No great hardship as most owners seem to have brake problems anyway :stars
Post by: Peter Holden on January 07, 2020, 11:57:41 AM
Peter
Post by: 100+9 on January 07, 2020, 07:14:59 PM
I get bored using them, and I've had nearly the lot. Most are a PITA to use, so self-defeat. Said before, the one most of you seem to ignore is this one. By Breckland... unlike any other wheel-clamp it's quick, small and cheaper / quicker than any wheel-clamp I've seen large enough to fit a leafer.
Mustn't say too much - Aliens have tractor-beams see.... I've a handbrake-lock, a clutch-claw, and a tracker. Depending on where I'm parked, some or all, go on. But in a daily-use, security vs. speed vs storage, the Breckland thrashes pretty much anything. MI6 are in on it.
Post by: oddjob on January 07, 2020, 07:26:40 PM
I’d bet most thieves would just drive until the two wheel studs broke off. It would certainly attract lots of attention as it drove off though! Looks easy to put on/off.
Every little helps.
:cheers
Post by: 100+9 on January 07, 2020, 07:37:15 PM
It would be better if it was a bit longer so caused panel damage if driven with it on. It doesn’t stick out beyond the tyre far.
I’d bet most thieves would just drive until the two wheel studs broke off. It would certainly attract lots of attention as it drove off though! Looks easy to put on/off.
Every little helps.
:cheers
Does that miss the point? Our passing 'scrote' could get his bull-dozer and... Personally I reckon we're all doomed.
Post by: Lianndrover on January 07, 2020, 09:13:54 PM
The most important thing in my eyes is agreed valuation insurance. If the scumbags want it enough, they'll take it. Selfishly you just have to make yours more of a pain in the *&%^$ to steal than someone else's.
Mark.
Post by: 100+9 on January 08, 2020, 09:05:09 AM
Someone needs to explain why we always make these clamps etc the same fashionable shade. We need to know:
a) With our would-be 'crim' too dim to identify these devices, does yellow help?
b) Not yellow, mine's painted green - will they pinch the clamp?
Post by: oilstain on January 08, 2020, 11:39:52 AM
I want somthing that is almost quick to put on and take off and add to the Hand brake lock and steering wheels locks already fitted.
Like most people, what I use depends on the time the Land Rover is left and where it is left which as you will tell me is stupid :thud
-If I'm going for 10ish minuited then the Hand Brake lock
-If I'm going for a hour ish or more somewhere Hand Brake and steering lock
- If parking overnight or what looks like a dodgy location I want another stage to add on and now thinking of -
auction: #254474584698 - any thoughts on this ??? having been put off my first optionWhilst some will say use the lot even for 5 minuites I dont want to loose the pleasure of using the Land Rover :RHD
(I did like the security post option but it lacks portability)
Post by: 100+9 on January 08, 2020, 12:31:14 PM
As I write this, parked somewhere out of my sight, I have all four devices employed, that's very rare. In practice such a pain I can't remember when I last did this. I use my handbrake lock for quickies. Breckland for overnighters. Tracker always.
Breckland hammers the lot, I'd put a large bet you'll have Breckland on in less time than your proposal. Inconvenience to you vs. to the thief, Breckland grabs it.
Post by: Wittsend on January 08, 2020, 02:10:24 PM
I'm thinking a lot of Land Rovers get lifted at night from the home.
There's a growing trend for thieves to spot potential targets (supermarket) in car parks - they fit a a tracker and lift from your home.
You just have to be ever vigilant and hope for the best.
:-\ Make sure your vehicles are properly insured.
:RHD
Post by: Alan on January 08, 2020, 02:35:37 PM
- Park either well hidden or behind a physical barrier
- Bonnet lock
- Doors locked - obvious but I know people who just walk away for "a couple of minutes"; often leaving the engine running at the same time
- Battery switch - if the electrics do not work they may be put off
- Hand brake lock
- Pedal Box lock
I Need to investigate trackers. People on this forum have suggested different ones for which thank you - what experience have people had of when they need to be activated and the vehicle recovered?
OK, nothing is guaranteed but by adding layers it will hopefully put any potential thieves off.
Post by: Mr Ed on January 09, 2020, 01:26:48 AM
Today, I think that something effective and easy (if not Diesel) is, by means of a hidden switch that disconnects the coil. Without spark, you can't go far.
Another idea, disconnect the fuel, using a hidden key.
Post by: 100+9 on January 09, 2020, 02:06:20 AM
The clutch-lock in the first post looks very effective, simply because it'll be quick to use, and stores in situ. Whereas this thing (see below)... whilst it locks all the pedals, doesn't really make the risk of getting underway quietly, quickly and without raising alarm or being disturbed, heard or identified, any harder. So cumbersome, it'd become a damned nuisance for regular use, so self-defeats. The worst for this are those steering wheel-locks, those things are mostly enormous, slow to use and store.
A thief wants away. Two layers+ really messes with this.
Post by: w3526602 on January 09, 2020, 06:01:38 AM
If somebody really, really, wants your truck, they will get it. The ultimate is when they roll up with a grab-lorry, and carry it away.
The simplest lo-buck method is to fit a "dicky switch" between the CB side of the coil and earth ... which is what the CB points do, so would be the same "draw" as leaving your ignition on, but of course, there will be no battery drain if the ignition key is still switched off. The worst that should happen is your coil will get hot, and drain the battery. It might make sense to earth the distributor end of wire ... less obvious... and disguise the switch as something else , by changing the knob/label.
Another simple way, would T-off from the tank-to-pump pipe, and insert an air-bleed (but make sure it's higher than the fuel level).The engine will (should) still start, but will stop a hundred yards down the road. A stolen car that stops can be somewhat embarrassing.
Dare I ask/suggest that an S3 steering column has a steering lock? The S3 diesel column also has a "engine stop" knob built into the steering lock. Can anyone suggest a useful function for that knob, on a petrol car?
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Post by: Craig T on January 09, 2020, 11:49:03 AM
Craig.
Post by: Dentman on January 09, 2020, 11:26:50 PM
Post by: Mr Ed on January 10, 2020, 01:40:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOd7oj1AT00
Post by: w3526602 on January 10, 2020, 04:39:29 AM
Find an old air raid siren from WW2, and fit it to your PTO.
Fabricate a steel roof lining over the front seats, hinged along the top of the windscreen. When leaving your vehicle, drop it down to obstruct the front seats, and padlock to the steering wheel.
As above, but hinged along bulkhead behind the seats, and hinged to swing over the seats, and padlocked to steering wheel.
Both of the above are visually obvious, and prevent access, unless Mr Clefti carries large bolt cutters.
Fit four FWHs, unlock when leaving the vehicle, will prevent it being driven away (as will one FWH on each axle). Can you buy "security" (thief proof FWHs?) But it will also prevent you from applying the hand brake, nor parking in gear. Oops!
Hide a second hand brake lever under the centre seat, padlock the lid. Hmmm! Use threaded bar to pull the bell-crank, with a security wheel nut to turn the bar. Carry the special socket on your key-ring.
Frankly, there is no ultimate anti-theft device. The best you can do is fit an obvious, time consuming, deterent. Can you buy "Billy goat musk" in aerosol cans?
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Post by: oilstain on January 10, 2020, 08:39:13 AM
[adding layers it will hopefully put any potential thieves off.
- Park either well hidden or behind a physical barrier
Speaking to a police man, he advised never to park in a hidden location but park in a well lit open location, if your location is hidden it gives the theif a hidden place to work on your Land Rover :shakeinghead[/list]
Post by: oilstain on January 10, 2020, 08:42:53 AM
Also the best devices in my view are those that are quick to fit and remove (with key) If they are hard to fit or remove you will get board and not use them >:(
Post by: Peaceand on January 10, 2020, 10:41:39 AM
Also the best devices in my view are those that are quick to fit and remove (with key) If they are hard to fit or remove you will get board and not use them >:(
A friend had his Defender stolen from Sheffield a while ago - it was parked on the street and he knew it was a likely target so invested in a big yellow pedal lock, the highly visible and cumbersome type.
It was all fine for a few months, until the first night he didn't fit the pedal lock (it was raining and it had to be locked while standing outside and reaching into the footwell) when it was stolen.
Could be coincidence, but seems more likely somebody had their eye on it, walking by every day and seizing the opportunity while it was (relatively) unsecured.
That 'it'll be fine just this once' approach really doesn't work if somebody has an interest in the vehicle and is just waiting for you to be lazy with the security.
Post by: TJRL on January 10, 2020, 12:47:22 PM
A friend had his Defender stolen from Sheffield a while ago - it was parked on the street and he knew it was a likely target so invested in a big yellow pedal lock, the highly visible and cumbersome type.Similar thing here, guy across the street kept a few tools in his van overnight. Knowing there was a risk he always parked it on his driveway with CCTV covering it. One night he parked it a bit lazily and the CCTV did not cover the rear doors, that was the night a thief crawled up out of sight of the cameras and broke in.
It was all fine for a few months, until the first night he didn't fit the pedal lock (it was raining and it had to be locked while standing outside and reaching into the footwell) when it was stolen.
Could be coincidence, but seems more likely somebody had their eye on it, walking by every day and seizing the opportunity while it was (relatively) unsecured.
That 'it'll be fine just this once' approach really doesn't work if somebody has an interest in the vehicle and is just waiting for you to be lazy with the security.
The toerags just wait until you let our guard down and then pounce. >:(
Post by: 100+9 on January 10, 2020, 06:23:55 PM
Reading your replies :tiphat It seems the best option is to use a number of options, none are fool proof but the theif wants a quick get away.
Also the best devices in my view are those that are quick to fit and remove (with key) If they are hard to fit or remove you will get board and not use them >:(
Absolutely and completely. These 'security' threads usually complete with words to the effect... "That's no good, thief could get a Oxycetlene lance/ Bolt-cutters/ AK47/ ICBM, Huey Attack Helicopter and be away, it needs 'blah' before it'd be any good"
Completely forgetting the object of the exercise is something that delays and adds risk, makes a noise and attracts attention. Lots of little 'quick-to-use' thief-annoyances which come easy, fit better than one big thing that only annoys you.
Of course, no device with the exception of a post in your drive (and if you're lucky a tracker) will beat a recovery-truck. Should they really decide it's theirs, it will be.
I tells you, my Breckland with a pedal/handbrake lock / tracker is as near as it gets.
Post by: w3526602 on January 11, 2020, 03:45:37 AM
My father never took the ignition key out of his 1935 Austin 10 (this was in the 1950s) and left it parked in the road.
Then one day, he gave it a coat of Valspar.
It was nicked that night.
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Post by: Andy19771 on January 11, 2020, 09:15:42 AM
Post by: Wittsend on January 11, 2020, 09:23:58 AM
But they will simply lift either end and drag it out onto a recovery truck.
Wearing hi vis vests and flashing beacons no one is going to take a 2nd look.
Gone in 60 seconds
Post by: oilstain on January 11, 2020, 11:43:24 AM
a cheering thought for the weekend :thud
Post by: MWAD7 on January 11, 2020, 12:09:33 PM
Simple mechanical and electrical defences should reduce the risk of opportunistic joy-riders etc. that just want a jolly. The only time I don’t fully deploy all of my handbrake/pedal/steering locks is when the vehicle is parked 30 feet away while I’m working on some other project on my drive for a few hours.
Nothing much other than a secure building will guard against professional thieves stealing for intact export etc. Anyone involved in that game will be more than capable of defeating locks of all descriptions, disconnecting handbrakes, propshafts etc. and bypassing any electrical ignition-defeats etc.
The best defence is possibly location! I did ask my local police if LRs (of any age) are much of a problem up here in Scotland and they didn’t think that they featured much in reported thefts...
Post by: w3526602 on January 11, 2020, 06:57:33 PM
I've been thinking ... sorry about that.
Visualise a sheet of checker-plate (or W.H.Y) the same size/shape as the driver's side floor panel, hinged along the front edge, lying on top of the factory floor panel. OK, it might not be that simple ... I don't have a Series to look at .. but it shouldn't be too difficult ... cut a notch where the handbrake lever is, etc.
When parking, lift the plate vertically, and padlock it to the bulkhead, parcel shelf, or where-ever, thus putting the pedals out of reach/sight.
If you can find a sheet of stainless, it should be angle grinder un-friendly, but aluminium won't be too far behind ... it will "load" a grinding disc.
A Brownie point to whoever makes this idea work.
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Post by: Serious Series on January 12, 2020, 08:54:53 AM
https://www.lro.com/land-rover-parts-and-gear/x-defend-defender-pedal-lock (https://www.lro.com/land-rover-parts-and-gear/x-defend-defender-pedal-lock)
Post by: 100+9 on January 12, 2020, 10:37:36 AM
Something like this
https://www.lro.com/land-rover-parts-and-gear/x-defend-defender-pedal-lock (https://www.lro.com/land-rover-parts-and-gear/x-defend-defender-pedal-lock)
Bit dear. By virtue of its speed of operation, and it stores flat, in situ, that has to be the best pedal-lock I've seen.
But it's fitted those daft locks. I loathe those stupid 'Round' Tube type keys most of these devices use. Slow to use, almost impossible to get 'cuts' made for, and the so-called security advantages are non-existent. No thief will wait around to 'pick' them anyway. All they do is form an extra barrier to the user. Unfortunately both my Breckland, and my Clutchclaw have them. Slows use of the locks no end, and annoys the hell out of me, when using daily.
Post by: oilstain on January 12, 2020, 11:48:00 AM
Something like thisLooks good and looks quick to use but if the theif puts a crowbar in the gap at the top will it just fall flat :agh
https://www.lro.com/land-rover-parts-and-gear/x-defend-defender-pedal-lock (https://www.lro.com/land-rover-parts-and-gear/x-defend-defender-pedal-lock)
and not cheap unless very secure
Post by: oddjob on January 12, 2020, 12:23:29 PM
Has anyone modified one to fit?
:cheers
Post by: williammac on January 15, 2020, 11:21:42 AM
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By Breckland... unlike any other wheel-clamp it's quick, small and cheaper / quicker than any wheel-clamp I've seen large enough to fit a leafer.
Hi 100+9
This sounds like it's just what I need - I usually use a HO approved clamp when my vehicle is parked up for a while at home - but at 44lbs it's not ideal for use when out and about!
Can I ask which model of Breckland you have? Does it clear the hubs?
Thanks!
Post by: 100+9 on January 15, 2020, 12:37:04 PM
I use a Breckland LF160 BigBoss. Now, does it clear rims?
Not sure for you. I run late 2B rims so they're deep. As fitted some one tonners. If you've got these you'll need to tweak it, or it won't. Metric stud kits are cheaper. I also run PS10 hubs/discs all round. Thus I have metric studs. This means Breckland branded nuts slip straight on. I'm pretty sure they only make these metric. M16 from memory.
If you do have deeper rims, you'll have to have 2B bits knocking about, or get extension-studs - as for those walk-up step rings fitted 2B. You can get those 2B bits cheaper than shown!
Post by: 100+9 on January 15, 2020, 12:53:17 PM
Post by: williammac on January 15, 2020, 05:17:43 PM
Post by: 100+9 on January 15, 2020, 08:54:25 PM
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Post by: w3526602 on January 16, 2020, 06:31:11 AM
It doesn't happen often, but maybe worth mentioning ...
Cleft-wallas have been known to respond to FOR SALE ads, come and inspect/test the vehicle for sale. They say they will think about it, and depart ...
... with all the knowledge needed to return at leisure, and nick the truck.
Take a note of the registration of the vehicle that viewers arrive in.
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