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Title: OT ... garage doors
Post by: Kernowcam on April 12, 2021, 07:21:00 PM
I am trying to plan. A new build double garage for my landy and trying to work out which make of roller doors to get?

Prices seem to vary a lot!
I have found one make about £600 and another similar more like £1400.
I will be fitting.
Need electric and insulated type.

Any experiences to pass on please, mainly on good and bad Points / reccommendations?
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Post by: ChrisJC on April 12, 2021, 07:53:08 PM
My door is made by Hormann. I suspect outside your budget, although I did have it fitted. It is excellent.

Chris.
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 12, 2021, 08:00:04 PM
Thanks
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Post by: TimV on April 12, 2021, 08:19:03 PM
Do the doors go sufficiently high to clear the landy?
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 12, 2021, 08:23:51 PM
Eaves will be max 2.5m , door takes 300mm for roll so I believe I have a good 2.1 - 2.2 m available. Bit of a tight squeeze I believe.
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Post by: Alan Drover on April 12, 2021, 08:54:43 PM
A very tight squeeze I'd say. How high is your Land Rover at the highest point?
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 12, 2021, 09:58:49 PM
Currently 2.1 and fine. Lightweight on 600 tyres
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Post by: DogDave on April 13, 2021, 07:28:14 AM
I used PK shutters in Bolton and very happy with them, I fitted myself though my neighbour was so impressed he got them to put his new door on as well and is happy with it also.

I went for manual mechanism as one less thing to go wrong, kind of wish I had gone electric now. Although I don’t open every day. But I have a normal door as well, so if this is your only entry point then slightly different.

From memory about 5 years ago there were two types of motors, the cheap ones were rated for opening and closing once a day, if you are going to be in and out a lot more then the heavy duty ones needed (things might have improved by now)
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Post by: MikeT on April 13, 2021, 07:48:26 AM
Mine is Hormann, 40mm insulated. I have had it for 6 years now. I can certainly recommend them.
 
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Post by: ChrisJC on April 13, 2021, 11:33:09 AM
With regard to the Hormann door, I have the remote operator, so as I turn off the road, I press the button in the vehicle, the door opens, and I glide straight in.

Chris.
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Post by: Tim_Moore on April 13, 2021, 01:32:57 PM
I made my own set of bi-fold doors. 4 panels wide (5m opening) 4 doors are all hinged together that stack up and go left, the last one on the right is used as a general access door and hinged off the oppose site. So in the winter time i can get it in and our without dumping all the warm air out!

Construction is the same as the outside walls with all the insulation etc.

Cheap and has a full 2.4m opening.
can also be opened/closed with the car up on blocks or an engine hanging from the roof.

Ill grab a photo if your interested  :cheers
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Post by: agg221 on April 13, 2021, 01:46:53 PM
One slightly OT observation. If there is now an option for a manual override to open the doors from the inside, that would be good.

Dad built his garage/workshop with a roller door on the front which does not have manual override. There is a side door, but it sticks so it doesn't get used much. I have inherited his lathe and mill and not moved them here yet as there isn't anywhere suitable to put them.

One evening I was down at Mum's working in the garage. It was winter so I had closed the door behind me to keep it a bit warmer, when the power to the garage tripped out. The side door was locked and there was no way open the roller shutter door from the inside. Fortunately, torch signals to the house attracted attention in under half an hour but it wasn't ideal. A manual override is something I would now be looking for in a roller shutter door - could keep a spare set of keys for the other door in the garage I suppose but you can guarantee they wouldn't be there on the one occasion when you needed them.

Alec
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Post by: MikeT on April 13, 2021, 01:58:18 PM
To add to Alec thread, defiantly fit a spring return switch inside. I can close or open the door from inside without looking for a remote. 
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 14, 2021, 07:45:36 AM
Tim a photo would be good.
Interesting comments.
I believe the ones I have looked at have a manual override with a pole and hook which you turn.
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Post by: Dire Straits on April 14, 2021, 09:26:52 AM
Have a look at SWS.co.uk I have recently had electric roller doors made by them but fitted by a independent installer,he did tell me they can be DIY,the main things I noted was measurement crucial on initial visit.
The installer used to work for SWS and will only use their doors,he has been to the factory that does the cheapest and would not recommend,saying the slats are so weak they can be pushed out of the guide rails and although a starting price of £600 rapidly climbs with add on's you near the price of a decent door so in my view your getting a door without the quality motor and Security Safe system.
On watching the installation the main points I noted it's definitely a two person job to get the slats over the roller,and knowing how to adjust top and bottom stopping points.
Regards Les
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Post by: oilstain on April 15, 2021, 11:52:55 AM
I've got a roller insulated electic operation garage door but it came with 2 fobs, up and down switch inside and a winding handle inside incase of power cuts, I can entrer from the house as well so no problem getting in if the power is off. As said the roll does take away some headroom but if this is a problem look at the sectional type which takes little headroom.
I got mine fitted by a good local man in Anglesey who did a tidy job at a price far less than the big firms quoted.
I would avoid firms a long way away from you, whilst they can offer good prices they are not keen to return and fix a problem if 200 miles away as a neigbour found out!
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Post by: ChrisJC on April 15, 2021, 12:23:24 PM
One slightly OT observation. If there is now an option for a manual override to open the doors from the inside, that would be good.

Both of my garage doors have electric openers which are basically a very long leadscrew. Both systems have a manual means to disengage the leadscrew from the push-rod, and manually open the door.

Chris.
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 15, 2021, 09:29:32 PM
Is 2.3m / 7’6” width by 2.1 high adequate!
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Post by: ChrisJC on April 16, 2021, 08:25:10 AM
I think most people try to avoid driving into inanimate objects, be they garage doors, houses, chairs, etc. etc. Generally with a pretty high success rate.

One typically does not select garden chairs with any consideration to replacement cost if you accidentally run one over with the ride-on mower.

Chris.
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Post by: Betsy1969 on April 17, 2021, 08:05:37 AM
Mine is an electric insulated roller type with built in alarm against forcefull entry . It has two remote fobs and internal switch plus manual opening rod which goes in from a locked entry point outside . There isn’t a manual option inside but if I found myself stuck then I could dismantle the gubbins enough to operate it.

Came from a company near me in Rotherham called JB Garage doors. They make them themselves and I was very impressed with the service and the quality. Might be a bit far for the OP though .

I think we paid around £1400
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Post by: oilstain on April 17, 2021, 08:16:12 AM
^^^^ your internal control/alarm sounds like mine but I also have a handle that hooks on to the top unit if I have a power cut
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Post by: agg221 on April 17, 2021, 09:51:14 AM
Looking at that last picture, one difference in the design of the door I referred to earlier is that it doesn't roll up. The whole thing slides up as a piece around a track with a curved 90 degree bend in it. The down side is that things can't hang down at all from the roof space in the front part of the garage but the big advantage is that you gain the headroom out the the whole opening height (height is the thickness of the slat and track, rather than the whole roll) which may be important if you are tight on headroom.

Alec
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 17, 2021, 03:40:30 PM
When these rollers roll up fully, does the roll keep within the metal box that surrounds things, height wise?

I have got to limit heights to a max eaves height of 2.5m for planning, I believe I loose 100mm through the door timbers, so with a 300mm box I am left with 2.1 max door hole height.

Then am I correct the door bottom always hangs down about 100mm when fully up? Leaving a useable height of 2m.

I am looking at a used door which does 2.1 fully open, and the seller says it needs 250mm for box.
All a bit tight.
Alternatively I could go for a compact at 200+ mm? But POSs less robust door on 55mm laths.
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Post by: agg221 on April 17, 2021, 04:11:51 PM
Does the site layout allow you to turn the roof around, so that you have the door on a gable end? So long as the door is not the full width, that would give you considerably more height with suitably designed roof timbers.

Alec
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Post by: oilstain on April 17, 2021, 05:26:13 PM
When my door is lifted with the motor the door is 10cm below the box as pictured but I can use the handle to lift it more as pictured so it hits the stops and is only 5mm lower than the box, also pictured.
Perhaps the installer could reset the auto stops to the 5mm position as he did set the position when he fitted it ???
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 17, 2021, 06:22:48 PM
Oil stain. Thanks. I believe the end stops are adjustable.

I can’t turn the building as I am being considerate to my neighbour and his view. We discussed this and it’s hard to backtrack.

Also I prefer it that way! Good thought though.
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Post by: w3526602 on April 17, 2021, 09:53:30 PM
I think most people try to avoid driving into inanimate objects, be they garage doors, houses, chairs, etc. etc. Generally with a pretty high success rate.

One typically does not select garden chairs with any consideration to replacement cost if you accidentally run one over with the ride-on mower.


Hi Chris.

Ref the SAAB incident, Barbara had driven down the road, parked outside the house next door, facing the wrong way. On climbing out of the car, she decided she was too far from the kerb, climbed back in again, (didn't close the door), inserted key  (SAAB key locked gearstick in reverse) and presumably turned the key without selecting neutral.  Car took off like a bat out of Hell, in reverse, straight towards my Disco.  Barbara spun the wheel to avoid the Disco. Rear corner  missed the Disco, but open SAAB driver door hit Disco. By this time SAAB was on full lock, so it's front wing also hit Disco ... Disco was now a write-off.  SAAB continues across road, reverses
d into front corner of Transit sized van, pusihng van sideways against the kerb.
(I was sitting in front room watching TV, when I heard a sort of f**ting noise as the tyre deflated). Van continued travelling sideways, against the kerb, bending it's front axle.

I'm guessing that the SAAB had travelled less than 20 feet, most of it at full lock, from a standing start. I later heard that another SAAB had done something similar. I don't know if it's pertinent, but I had noticed the SAAB had a reluctance to cruise smoothly, I had to keep adjusting the throttle between very slightly on and very slightly off. A steady throttle, with no load, gave a slightly jerky, ON - OFF- ON progress. ???  I believe the SAAB had some sort of anti-stall device.

SAAB had damage to right rear corner, drivers door bent forward against the front wing , and mangled driver's front wing, (both from hitting my Disco), and well crumped left rear quarter from hitting the van.  But that damage had caused most of the other panels to distort, including roof and boot lid. Only the passenger door seemed un-involved.  The insurance assessors abandoned the assessment, when the cost of replacement SAAB parts went over £700.

I assume the van was a write off... it seemed sensible not to ask.  And my Disco was an economic write off.  My insurers understood what I was getting at, when I said I wanted to claim against Barbara ... no sense in both of us losing one NCB "life". It took two claims to lose one's full NCB.

The folding chair will be offered to a member of this forum, who has a sister with a wood burner. You know who you are ... there are a couple of sacks of firewood that I need to deliver to you, when I get my Freelander back.

OT ... since Barbara's fall, a certain lady Councillor seems to have become remarkably friendly.  ???

602


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Post by: Davidss on April 18, 2021, 10:27:51 AM
I'm not sure quite why this topic was started in '602 musings', but that's where it is.

Observations from a long way away (so perhaps not having a full view).
You mention 'eaves height' which implies a pitched roof, and the line drawing of the door installation supports this assumption. The line drawing also shows the vehicle door in the side of the building, and in one response you explain that you cannot move the door to the gable end, out of consideration for your neighbour.
Basic question, given the height limitations it creates, is a roll up door the optimum door solution?

If you really want a roll up door, could the box containing the rolled door be mounted outside the building, effectively putting the bottom of the box level with the eaves, rather than below the eaves?
The external box may not be 'pretty', but a suitable choice of paint may well subdue the visual impact.

Alternatively, could you put the roll inside the roof, but inset by 24", say? This will allow the box to be above the eaves height.
Some horizontal beams above the door and across the pitch of the roof may be in the way, but perhaps steel A frames, with a horizontal brace closer to the apex, would have sufficient strength (as opposed to wooden A frames, with the horizontals at eaves height).
I envisage some sort of guide rail being required to guide the door from the inset box to the wall.

My last thought was about a personal door; were you going to install one?
I can see that such a door reduces the internal wall area for shelves etc, but I have become convinced that the gain in heat retention outweighs that reduction. The assumption here is that personal access is required very much more often than vehicle access, thus opening a 3ft door loses less internal heat than opening a 7' 6" door.
Also the vehicle door can be more securely locked from the inside, with no requirement for an external handle or lock.
To eliminate losing floor area with an inward opening door, my friend made the personal door outward opening, reasoning that any bad weather wind pressure would close the door more tightly, and that the door would be more resistant to forced entry. I intend to follow his lead.

Regards.
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Post by: Betsy1969 on April 18, 2021, 06:34:36 PM
^^^^ your internal control/alarm sounds like mine but I also have a handle that hooks on to the top unit if I have a power cut

Yes that’s exact same box and looks like same door. Haven’t got the hook-ended pole though
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 18, 2021, 08:59:28 PM
I think I’m getting there!
My lightweight on 600 tyres seems to need 1.90
Can I check what size a landy on 7.50 needs and
What’s a disco height?

My architect can give me 2.1 but I may have a single slat of 79 mm to deal with.

Good point re an opening door outward. My person door faces the extreme weather.

The standard thicker insulated doors  with 77 slats with a 300mm attract me , however if needed a compact version is available on 55 mm slats and a 250 headroom.
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Post by: GAHC on April 19, 2021, 08:44:37 AM
Just over a year ago I changed two up and over for rollers to get enough height for the landy. one thing to check is that you can mount the box high enough on the inside so that the last slat clears the opening (happy to send picks of this). Doing this gave me an extra 6" of height when compared to the up and over. I bought from rollerdor.net. They arnt as good a quality as next doors garadors but they are fine and I am very happy. I Self installed and the cost was about £800/door with some extras (wireless safety edge) - that beats the £2.5k per door installed for next door. I have since fitted another one for another neighbour - they are excellent value for money
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 19, 2021, 07:09:47 PM
A photo would be good.
I have 2.1m on offer for the architect but loose 79mm ,(on a 300mm frame ) or 55 on a 250mm frame as it seems you need a lath showing when fully open.

It all seems to revolve about where the upper limit is for the door stop.
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Post by: nathanglasgow on April 19, 2021, 07:42:13 PM
My SWB with van sides on 7.50 Goodyear G90s is 1995mm.
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 19, 2021, 07:51:39 PM
That’s 5cm clearance then! Loads.
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Post by: oilstain on April 20, 2021, 07:45:44 AM
The problem I see is whilst you may have the space with 750's or 235/85's fitted if you change the make of the tyres but the same marked size the actual size changes between makes and if you aproach the garage slightly down hill, like me, or uphill the hight at the garage door frame can change, if you see what I mean :stars
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Post by: Gres on April 20, 2021, 08:20:49 AM
'96 Disco on 235/ 70 16

I measured my SWB on 235/85 16 and parabolics, with canvas frame to be 1980mm, and successfully negotiated some very tight looking European multi storey car parks.
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Post by: oilstain on April 20, 2021, 08:54:07 AM
The problem I see is whilst you may have the space with 750's or 235/85's fitted if you change the make of the tyres but the same marked size the actual size changes between makes and if you aproach the garage slightly down hill, like me, or uphill the hight at the garage door frame can change, if you see what I mean :stars

I forgot about my parabolic springs and some may have longer shackles :stars
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 25, 2021, 07:03:26 PM
I have been thinking and pricing these doors up.
As my double door design looks nice but adds a pillar in the middle , I am strongly tempted to go for a full double door.
I am trying to create a 600 mm bench / machinery space to the right and rear walls and I have realised removing the pillar I can park the 2 vehicles close together and away from the edges!

Also the pedestrian door then become viable by having room to open without clouting the landy sides
Any experiences please?
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 26, 2021, 03:15:52 PM
Just progresses today,
Def double door,
Next dilemma I can easily get a 4.2m door in but is that wide enough for 2 land rovers or modern cars.
Alternatively go for 4.6m but have to tweak plans and building regs. Outside is 6.9 inside 6m.
Not sure I want a monster door but need to get right.
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Post by: oilstain on April 26, 2021, 04:20:49 PM
^^^ a very wide domestic roller door will have a lot of in/out play at the bottom in strong winds, a friend has one and fitted a bit of steel chanel in the middle of the floor for the door to drop into to stop this :tiphat
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Post by: agg221 on April 26, 2021, 04:52:51 PM
^^^ a very wide domestic roller door will have a lot of in/out play at the bottom in strong winds, a friend has one and fitted a bit of steel chanel in the middle of the floor for the door to drop into to stop this :tiphat

I can also see that if you set up that with a suitable subtle fall to the ends with drain points by casting in a piece of pipe, it would mean any windblown rain would run down the door and away, rather than creeping in at the front. Just need the occasional rake out of debris.

Alec
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 26, 2021, 05:10:33 PM
Good thought!
I want the width but not make it look silly or structurally weak.
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Post by: oilstain on April 26, 2021, 06:13:52 PM
Although my door is insulated, the garage is heated (a little) and when very cold outside condensation runs down the inside of the door, you need to have a plan for this to drain away and not under the car/s
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Post by: Kernowcam on April 26, 2021, 08:22:22 PM
Noted!
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Post by: cox195888 on May 11, 2021, 07:41:02 AM
I used rollerdoor uk and my door is 2.8mx2.8m and was about £650ish last September