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I entered the dark-side a fortnight ago and bought a plastic dashed 109 6 pot, resplendent in original DBG on straight panels and generally all factory original.
Made me wonder what parts are unobtainable now, as I have come across 2 already. The 6 cylinder water pump, and very annoyingly the ignition lock/steering lock unit. The pump is available as a recon part exchange, as is the ignition unit for a very hefty sum from Pegasus. Oh and the radiator. That's 3.
What other parts out there should be we keeping hold of?
(PS - if anyone knows how to rebuild the ignition unit (with choke cable hole and steering lock) then please let me know, maybe through PM. Or which replacement has has the same electrical contacts on the back and I mount the choke elsewhere.)
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The ignition lock for all Series 3's had been unobtainable for a long time. I splashed out on a Pegasus one a couple of years ago for a spare. If the original does pack up I won't have to wait for a replacement.
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... gearsticks
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Petrol tanks, senders and gauges. I’ve had to put a SIII tank in my 2a and I may just have been unlucky but I’ve had the Devil’s own job getting senders and gauges matched on both of mine.
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We, as a CLub, go through this every couple of years, and a good exercise it is !
It is a good way to tease out what is actually unavailable and what is out there but masquerading as triumph or other Leyland type parts
The old senders can be found in this manner, although for the life of me I can't remember which vheicle it is shared with - others will know.
There aren't, in truth, many items that are not available - a good example has been mentioned - 6 pot ignition - Also stated that they are, but very expensive.
Keep them coming; it's always useful to know
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I entered the dark-side a fortnight ago and bought a plastic dashed 109 6 pot, resplendent in original DBG on straight panels and generally all factory original.
Made me wonder what parts are unobtainable now, as I have come across 2 already. The 6 cylinder water pump, and very annoyingly the ignition lock/steering lock unit. The pump is available as a recon part exchange, as is the ignition unit for a very hefty sum from Pegasus. Oh and the radiator. That's 3.
What other parts out there should be we keeping hold of?
(PS - if anyone knows how to rebuild the ignition unit (with choke cable hole and steering lock) then please let me know, maybe through PM. Or which replacement has has the same electrical contacts on the back and I mount the choke elsewhere.)
Is it the lock that needs replacing or the switch, which is still available Part 579085 , or both . I have a complete NOS choke cable including the bracket to the lock, PM me if interested
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I think the non locking ignition switch and lock are still available. It's only the locking mechanism that's not available except through Pegasus.
I don't know if you would have to inform your insurance company that the vehicle is no longer fitted with a steering lock.
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Early S3's and some markets including MOD vehicles didn't have a steering lock , just the late 2A type ignition switch with a bracket fixed to the column in the same place as the lock. It's listed in the S3 parts catalogue
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... gearsticks
Does anyone know what the difference is between a IIA gear-lever, 544827 and a series one gear-lever, 509884. They look pretty much the same thing?
Only reason I ask is I got a price list the other day from Carl and Dale Radford at Radford bulkheads and on their pricelist is new gear-levers for only £42
Craig
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Demisters are getting hard to find
Early S3's and some markets including MOD vehicles didn't have a steering lock , just the late 2A type ignition switch with a bracket fixed to the column in the same place as the lock. It's listed in the S3 parts catalogue
Does the series 2 one have the choke cable coming through the ignition unit? I can't seem to find it. My S3 parts manual only has this - I've attached a picture.
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Gonna show my ignorance here!, what is going on with the bulkhead outriggers in that photo?, I have never seen curved ones before.
Chris.
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It's a series 1, I think
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Yes, it's my 1955 series one.
They cranked the bulkhead outriggers forward as the brake master cylinder is mounted on the chassis and the pedals go down through the floor rather than hang from the bulkhead footwell.
Craig.
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Demisters are getting hard to find
Does the series 2 one have the choke cable coming through the ignition unit? I can't seem to find it. My S3 parts manual only has this - I've attached a picture.
The choke cable on the II and IIA is through the dash panel, separate of the ignition switch. There are different styles however depending what model you have. My 1967 one has a one piece cable from the knob to the carb and has provision for a small switch just behind the knob that turns on the cold start light. Earlier models had a different system. Not sure if these cables have ever been re-manufactured?
Craig.
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Does anyone know what the difference is between a IIA gear-lever, 544827 and a series one gear-lever, 509884. They look pretty much the same thing?
Only reason I ask is I got a price list the other day from Carl and Dale Radford at Radford bulkheads and on their pricelist is new gear-levers for only £42
Craig
I'm almost 100% sure that the Series 1 gear lever is shorter than the Series 2 / 2A one. In which dimension on the bends I don't know without a physical comparison.
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Does anyone know what the difference is between a IIA gear-lever, 544827 and a series one gear-lever, 509884. They look pretty much the same thing?
I've got both somewhere - from memory the early ones have a slightly squared-off plain ball at the end while the later ones have the groove and o ring. Later still they have the thicker green bush thing.
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I'm almost 100% sure that the Series 1 gear lever is shorter than the Series 2 / 2A one. In which dimension on the bends I don't know without a physical comparison.
I'm not 100% sure but I think there are at least 2 different S1 levers --- those as in Craggle's pic. and a much shorter one for the 80"
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Our 55 S1, 58 S2 and 59 S2 all have the same shape of cranked gear lever (the one on our 51 S1 is very different) but they are different lengths. I am not sure of the originality of the 58 but I do know the provenance of the 55 and the 59. The 59 is the longest and can actually be quite awkward although is only about an inch longer.
Peter
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If there is a demand for new series II / IIA levers I could speak to Carl and Dale and see if they are interested in making replica ones. If it really is a matter of just the length being slightly different, they have already done the hard bit tooling up for the swivel ball and selector end. Making them slightly different length or crank angle should be an easy task for them?
Craig.
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You can buy a generic Series 3 gear lever new that will work. If you wished, you could bend it to look like an original, and thread the top for the correct knob.
My older brother broke my gear lever in about 1981 and it was replaced with a new Series 3 one that is still there today.
Are we talking about parts that you can't get and for which there is no realistic alternative, or just having the exact replica original parts for the particular model year?
We are actually incredibly lucky that you can get something to replace or repair most of the parts of our vehicles, and keep them going!
Sunny Jim
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The combined steering lock/ignition switch is in the Series 3 Optional Parts catalogue. The choke cable Is mounted on the lock. Pegasus supply a new choke cable with their recon assembly. I've not yet come across a Series 3 without the steering lock combination.
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The combined steering lock/ignition switch is in the Series 3 Optional Parts catalogue. The choke cable Is mounted on the lock. Pegasus supply a new choke cable with their recon assembly. I've not yet come across a Series 3 without the steering lock combination.
My first S3 , October 1971 didn't have a lock, agree whey were in the minority. I fitted one myself afterwards.
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When I had a Series 3 109 sixpot (November 1973) I was told the ashtray was very rare. I don't smoke but I used it for little screws I found lying on the floor. So, you may not find ashtrays, is what I'm saying.
A friend here had a 1975 "Basic" 3-door sixpot 109 at the same time I had mine, and we ordered brake lines together from Automech. They informed us that there were 3 or 4 different brake configurations on the S3 sixpots and they needed precise information from us about the size of each fixing, to ensure it would fit. His fixings were indeed different from mine. Something to be aware of.
Luckily I didn't have to fix much on that S3.
Based on my 2A, though:
The carpets and floor mats, if you have a Station Wagon.
The brake drums, though S3 drums with 16mm studs are more commonly found than S2A drums with the smaller 9/16" stud holes.
You can rebuild a sixpot water pump easily, using a kit, which is ubiquitous. I've done two: mine and a spare.
The rear fuel tank issue on my 2A is irritating -- the replacement being a bit smaller than original and only compatible with the bayonet sender -- I'll have to put more effort into reviving my original tank.
The speedo cable is expensive and hard to find for 2A sixpots. I don't know if this supply is an issue with S3's (the cable is different, of course). I think there's a different part # for left- and righthand drive for S3, since the speedo is on the driver's side and RHD is a much longer route. Just get the longest you can find.
The propshafts can be hard to come by and costly.
Engine parts are available at John Wearing and other Rover suppliers. They cost more than 2.25L parts but less than parts for modern cars. There's no engine part, yet, that I haven't located, somehow.
Ah, yes, the exhaust manifold. Its weight in gold if you can find one.
If you have an 11AC alternator with the external regulator, I found that those were also used on Jaguars, so look for spares in that circle. My current alternator has a sticker on it that says it's for an E-type! You can get replacement diodes if yours blow. When my original bimetal voltage regulator failed, I got a solid state one at an autojumble that looks identical to the original on the outside. (from an early 70s Jaguar). Later Series 3's may have different alternators than the 2A and the early 3's?
I got a like-for-like britpart gearstick recently from paddock, exactly like the original (LHD) so at least for 2A's there's no problem, there.
If you're really in a desperate spot, let me know, I have a good spares stash and access to more, as sixpots were common, here. I'm not likely to ever need most of the things I've got, judging by how little I've driven in the last 3 years.
The shipping and customs from Switzerland could be enormous ... come for a visit sometime?
Well, that's a start anyway
Jeremy
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If there is a demand for new series II / IIA levers I could speak to Carl and Dale and see if they are interested in making replica ones. If it really is a matter of just the length being slightly different, they have already done the hard bit tooling up for the swivel ball and selector end. Making them slightly different length or crank angle should be an easy task for them?
Craig.
Radford gear sticks may well be £10 aftermarket s3 gear sticks that are modified? (re-bent and thread cut)
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Unless anyone knows differently the correct plugs for the wiper motors seem to be unobtainable except for occasionally turning up NOS.
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The speedo cable is expensive and hard to find for 2A sixpots. I don't know if this supply is an issue with S3's (the cable is different, of course).
Rimmer Bros has the 2A six pot genuine cable for 44 plus vat, Craddocks have aftermarket for 36 plus VAT
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Do Blanchards stock it?
Peter
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Are we talking about parts that you can't get and for which there is no realistic alternative, or just having the exact replica original parts for the particular model year?
We are actually incredibly lucky that you can get something to replace or repair most of the parts of our vehicles, and keep them going!
Sunny Jim
I think this is a key point. There is a huge range between parts which are still being made and supplied as genuine at a low price through to parts where your only hope is to wait until one come up on a scrap vehicle. In between you have everything from NOS easily available but expensive, parts which LR dealers no longer have but can be found by a lateral approach, later parts which will do the job but are different, parts which are easily available aftermarket but substandard etc.
My general impression is that for most models you can buy anything needed to keep them on the road but for the models built in small numbers it can be very difficult to keep them to original specification.
Alec
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Do Blanchards stock it?
Peter
didn't come up when I looked for it in April this year,
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Radford gear sticks may well be £10 aftermarket s3 gear sticks that are modified? (re-bent and thread cut)
That is quite possible, hadn't thought of that.
Craig.