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[Larry S.]

Hello everyone!

Does anyone know about how long it takes for a Heritage Certificate to be processed and shipped?  I looked on their website but didn't see anything.

Also, if a person orders a certificate, do you think they'd be willing to notify the buyer as to the build date via email?

Cheers!!

[Exile]

From memory I think I paid £6.00 for one item of information by email.

That was a year or two ago, so worth checking on their website.

[Wittsend]

It's a moving game ... changing all the time.

One would have thought that if you have ordered a certificate then they ought to let you know the build date

These things are not cheap now, but look good in your man cave.
Be aware that you don't get that much info as Rovers never recorded the data.



The posties are on intermittent strike in the UK and we are in the Christmas period so expect delays.
If you were in the UK my advice would be to phone them up and ask.

 

[Kernowcam]

Do they do them for ex military vehicles?

[Exile]

do you think they'd be willing to notify the buyer as to the build date via email?

I have just checked the Gaydon site.
They still do a Web Research Request for £6.00.

So the answer to your questiion is yes, if you can pay £6.00 they will email you an answer for the build date by email - while you wait for the full Certificate to arrive by snailmail.

https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/certificate-costs-and-delivery

[Wittsend]

Do they do them for ex military vehicles?

Yes - I've got one for my LWT.


 

[Kernowcam]

Certificate £50-60!

[Leon]

Why does the 'British Motor Industry Heritage Trust' insist on using a dash (-) among the chassis number?
All chassis are stamped without the dash.
All bulkhead plates are stamped without the dash.
All parts & workshop manuals list the chassis numbers without the dash.

[Larry S.]

Thanks everyone!!!  I had no clue about the single question aspect, that will help.

Much appreciated.   

Cheers!
Larry

[Genem]

Caution, the one the previous owner had bought for my Lightweight had data on it for a completely different vehicle, which is why my 1971 build has a 1969 age registration...

I asked them to correct it, they sent me a new one with the right vehicle data but still with minor errors. Hey ho.  Its issues like that which probably explain why DVLA will not accept just a Heritage Cert as "proof".

 

[Wittsend]

The problem is that when colour printers were readily available "Heritage Certificates" were easy to forge 
There are no security features on them.

Lots of chancers and scammers hoodwinked the DVLA into getting all sorts of stuff road registered.
For example: It is said that there are more Bugattis on the road than the factory ever produced.
etc. etc.

And so, quite rightly, the DVLA no longer accept these certificates and haven't done so for some years.
Which is why our club is recognised by the DVLA to inspect Series 2s and 3s for their bona fides and owners have to proceed to (try) and register their vehicles through our VRO.


 

[Larry S.]

The problem is that when colour printers were readily available "Heritage Certificates" were easy to forge 
There are no security features on them.

Lots of chancers and scammers hoodwinked the DVLA into getting all sorts of stuff road registered.
For example: It is said that there are more Bugattis on the road than the factory ever produced.
etc. etc.

And so, quite rightly, the DVLA no longer accept these certificates and haven't done so for some years.
Which is why our club is recognised by the DVLA to inspect Series 2s and 3s for their bona fides and owners have to proceed to (try) and register their vehicles through our VRO.


 

I'm a bit baffled.  Were these certificates used as legal documents for identification of the vehicles?  I always assumed your version of a vehicle title -  'vehicle registration document' - was issued by the government/county.  Ours are registered by the State the vehicle is in. 

I did note this on the '£6.00 for one question' - "Please note, this information is provided by email and will not be accepted by registration authorities. If you require a formal document you will need to purchase a Heritage Certificate."

[Alan Drover]

My MGB GT was manufactured in 1977 but first registered in 1978. In 2017 I sent a Heritage certificate to DVLA to get their records amended to 1977 as date of manufacture. No problems then.

[Wittsend]

If you have a vehicle already in the "system" - with a registration document - not a problem.

The problem arises when someone finds an old vehicle (Land Rover, tractor, sports car, etc.) in a barn that has not been registered, or registered many years ago, but now has "lost`' the registration number and the owner wishes to transfer ownership and or get it registered with a new number plate or MoT'd. But with no supporting paperwork.
Same applies to an import.

No paperwork, no proof of date of manufacture - you are now stuffed.
The vehicle needs to be inspected to check it is authentic.
This our club can do (for a fee).

  We do not inspect a box of bits.
The vehicle has to be complete, but necessarily running or in a roadworthy condition.
It has to be complete.

You have no idea of the things people used to try and get away with.
They still do.
There's a lot of Series 2s out there with Defender parts, on coil springs and the like 
The only thing Series 2 being the cab plate. There was one on here recently.
These owners are evading road tax and MoT safety checks and therefore they are not insured if taken on the road 

A lot of people will say they did this and got that done with the DVLA
What matters TODAY is what the DVLA will accept.
The red tape is being tightened all the time to stop various loop holes and allowing chancers to try and register something that it is not.
The problem comes when innocent buyers - new comers to the classic car/Land Rover world find that their new purchase can not be registered and is rendered worthless scrap 

If only people came to us first for some advice.

For this reason my/our our best advice is NOT to buy a vehicle/project that doesn't have the correct paperwork.
If the seller doesn't have the paperwork then WHY - because they know it can't be registered 

No paperwork - walk away - even if it's FREE - there are plenty of legitimate projects out there.

(Legislation/rules may be different in other countries.)

 
 

[Larry S.]

Forgot to mention the reason for the question - rather vain actually.

Grover is turning 60 this year, but I have no clue when.  He is an early one, somewhere between January 1 and whatever date in March they switched from lowercase suffix letters to uppercase. 

Due to the shipping issues I don't want to take the chance of extended delays and missing the date.  The way my luck has been going I'd probably get the certificate weeks after the build date and miss the day.