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[Peter Holden]

Good morning all
DVLA updated this page at the beginning of October

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/declaration-of-exemption-from-mot?utm_source=339458ad-7ab5-47f4-a743-9fcd42bb0acc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=daily

Peter

[Wittsend]

Attached is the updated V112 declaration form.

What is of interest to us classic Land Rover owners is section "r" highlighted here:-



You can still declare online in the normal way, when "re-taxing" your Series Land Rover.


All complaints/comments to the Secretary of State for Transport.

[Genem]

At first reading I'm not seeing that as anything other than a re-statement of the guidance they put out previously ?  They have now added it to the form rather than require people to go and look it up elsewhere ?

[Wittsend]

That's how I read it too.

As far as we are concerned nothing has changed.

[Clifford Pope]

Under the section r it doesn't actually say "new" replacement chassis, as likewise it doesn't specify that a substitute engine does not have to be new.
Has it always said that? Where has the idea come from that a replacement chassis has to be new, but a replacement engine can be secondhand?

[AlexB]

because the chassis IS the vehicle and is stamped as such

[Clifford Pope]

because the chassis IS the vehicle and is stamped as such

Until it is replaced by a new chassis.  What's the difference between a new chassis and a reconditioned chassis with a new dumb iron?
Where does it say it has to be a new chassis? Has the section quoted always omitted to stipulate new?

[Genem]

The original text is below. It does not specifically say "New" but I'd certainly read it that way ?

[Genem]

.....given this sort of comment elsewhere on the DVLA site, where they DO say "new"...

Keep a vehicle’s original registration number
A rebuilt vehicle can keep its original registration number if you can prove you’ve used:

the original unmodified chassis or bodyshell (car or light van)
a new chassis or monocoque bodyshell of the same specification as the original (car or light van)
the original unmodified frame (motorbike)
a new frame of the same specification as the original (motorbike)

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/rebuilt-vehicles

....cue argument over the meaning of "of the same specification", generic "S2a" chassis vs absolute perfection in positioning of tabs, strengthening webs and assorted fol-de-rols that probably no-one in DVLA would be even be aware of..

[Wittsend]

I'm not sure what the problem is here ...

The chassis carries the vehicle's identity.

Nothing to stop you repairing the chassis you have.

 
What you can not do is replace the chassis you have with another used chassis and claim your original chassis number.

This has always been the case - even before the concept of Historic Vehicles and is breaking the law 


We all know what goes on, and no doubt people get/got away with it.
And I'm sure some of you can think of "ingenuous" ways around the rules 

We don't want to know about them.

The current rules are as posted....


 

[Clifford Pope]

The original post in this thread was drawing attention to some revised rules, and I was observing that the portion highlighted did not contain the word "new" when referring to a replacement chassis.
I asked whether that wording was new to the revised version, or had always been there.

No one has answered that question, but it appears that "new" is to be assumed by reference to other statements.

[Genem]

With respect Clifford, the original post was drawing attention to an updated page on the DVLA website with a revised version of Form V112.

Reply number 2 stated:

"At first reading I'm not seeing that as anything other than a re-statement of the guidance they put out previously"

So the answer to your question was there already....

 

[Exile]

The word new in the English language has two meanings.

As in:

"Daddy's got a new car".

Will the lawyers assume that it is brand new out of the showroom, or new to Daddy?

So:

"My Land Rover has a new chassis....."


Spanner thrown.

[Genem]

Try it on DVLA. The worst that can happen is your pride and joy gets crushed.

 

[Bradley66]

I don't see anything has changed. Possibly made a little clearer ?