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JonA

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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #60 on: September 12, 2019, 10:07:06 AM »

i ran the 'build' and got to £90kplus, leaving out most of the blingy *&%^$ but including the winch kit (gloves, shackles, booklet etc) for £343 but cannot find any option to have a winch fitted ???  ... guess i wont be getting one then :-X
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2019, 10:11:02 AM »



If it says 110 on the front, don't confuse potential purchasers ... ask £110,000.   :-X :-X :-X :-X

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what I find very odd is the lack of interior photos.... I'm slinging two 40 foot trees worth of wood into mine this weekend - wouldn't dream of doing that to a "new 90"....
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2019, 10:35:12 AM »

Well, I'm less disappointed than I expected to be....

Take that Wilkes Bros. one, repaint in Marine Blue with Limestone top and wheels, then maybe...
Nah. This is the new Defender. It was never going to look more like a series.

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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2019, 10:53:02 AM »

Take that Wilkes Bros. one, repaint in Marine Blue

A little bird told me that the current colour palette (aka Farrow and Ball) is just for the initial launch and that more colours will be added later.

For a bit of fun though, can you see what's wrong with these two photos;





Bearing in mind that the 80" is 5' wide and the new 90 is 6' 7" wide.
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #64 on: September 12, 2019, 11:18:06 AM »

For a bit of fun though, can you see what's wrong with these two photos;
The 80" is too small...



to carry all the service and diagnostic equipment required to keep the Defender moving?  :neener
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2019, 11:39:34 AM »

A little bird told me that the current colour palette (aka Farrow and Ball) is just for the initial launch and that more colours will be added later.

For a bit of fun though, can you see what's wrong with these two photos;





Bearing in mind that the 80" is 5' wide and the new 90 is 6' 7" wide.

Must have missed the jet pack option....
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2019, 11:49:34 AM »

The 80" is too small...

Really? It appears to be as wide as the 90 in photo 1. The 90 appears quite diminutive, despite being the same length as the old 110 and the best part of two feet wider. It's not just from perspective.

Here's another photo of the two together;
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #67 on: September 12, 2019, 12:59:44 PM »

The first picture, with the new vehicle at the front, has clean tyres  ???  How did it get there?  ???  The track looks dusty etc.  :stars

The second picture does show dirt on the tyres.

Has Photoshop (or similar) struck?

Continue the moaning . . .  :-X

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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #68 on: September 12, 2019, 01:21:42 PM »

Really?
No. Not really.
You're correct. It'd the Defender that looks smaller than it should.

Has Photoshop (or similar) struck?
I'd be shocked if they hadn't manipulated the photos at some point. This is advertising after all. They're professional liars!
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #69 on: September 12, 2019, 03:49:54 PM »

Also interesting that the new one in the pics is LHD.

I got my Jeep Gladiator in the Rubicon trim up to $50k. It is more like what the Pretender should have been.; https://www.jeep.com/bmo.html#/models/2020/gladiator

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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #70 on: September 12, 2019, 08:53:05 PM »

I hope someone sells a conversion kit for that lego technic defender to make it like a proper one
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #71 on: September 12, 2019, 11:25:56 PM »

I just watched a youtube video by Drivetribe and Richard Hammond. I believe it is a capable vehicle when it is new but apparently it has 85 ECUs... My P38 only has 3 and they aren't cooperating with each other after 19years so time will tell

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« Reply #72 on: September 13, 2019, 08:45:37 AM »

I quite like it, although it's not quite what I thought it would be. I wonder whether they conducted a couple of retrospective design studies, looking at where the old defender might have ended up had it been more comprehensively refreshed every 10 years or so?

We have a 109 (full tilt) and a Disco 4. Although we adore the 109 it just isn't up to modern family life, and maintenance is significantly more demanding than the Disco. A more recent Defender has the character and heritage, but is also not a realistic family bus: too slow, too noisy, too uncomfortable. The Disco 5 is pig ugly, and we wouldn't chop our 4 in for one, but this new defender will have us, and many other Disco 4 owners I suspect, looking long and hard at it.

To look at it another way: what other vehicles from other brands is this up against?

Sure, it's bigger in almost every way than the old defender, but it pretty much had to be to get through crash these days. Look at the Merc G-wagon (also a long, long way from its origins), or the mini, or the golf, or any other long-running model. 85 ECUs is just another way of saying it uses can and lin to keep the wiring harness down to manageable proportions, just like any modern vehicle. There's a little control unit in every switch pack, and they all talk to each other over can. OK, more electronics does mean less reliability, but this can also be seen in the relative reliability of Skoda, VW and Audi: they are the same architecture and the same technologies, after all.

The automotive world is now a very different place to 1948, and many of the derivatives the old series vehicles were available in just don't make sense in any realistic way: transit-and transporter-type vehicles have taken some of the market, L200-type semi-commercials some more, and I can only assume LR ran the numbers and decided it wasn't worth trying to complete because the margins weren't there: all the operators in those segments are huge and have a lot of usable carry-over content from the rest of their ranges. Even the army's needs for vehicles is different now: a defender is a bit much as a batallion runabout, and too little as a patrol vehicle in Iraq.
Trying to make a one-size-fits-all vehicle worked back in a post-war empire world, but those days are long gone and not coming back. Today it just means it'll be out-competed in each niche.
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #73 on: September 13, 2019, 11:26:41 AM »

Crikey, I hope they don’t produce another modern “thing” and call it a landrover series 2A :agh
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Re: Marmite Defender
« Reply #74 on: September 13, 2019, 11:48:12 AM »

Well if you can spend over £100k on a Defender then they are into Mercedes G Wagon territory . I know what I would rather buy for that sort of cash (if I had it) .Since its introduction in the late 70`s it has always been a better built vehicle and , arguably more reliable .
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