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Main Section => Workshop Wisdom => 602's Musings => Topic started by: Bradley66 on October 30, 2019, 08:20:23 AM
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https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/congestion-zone-diesel-ban-council-3477818
Coming to a town near you , soon.
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Hi,
I'm trying to visualise a tram x refuse wagon. .... OK, make that a trolly-bus x refuse wagon.
Our leaders should put their money where they suggest we put ours. Ministerial cars should be based on London's "black cabs ... with a milk-float power-train ... colour coded to indicate the status of the passengers, with wheels painted their "political" colour (Suggestions please?)
602
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More reason to drive a series 2 as being historic they are exempt. Or they are in London.
It feels nuts that I can use my smokey old Tdi but not my wife’s 2009 Honda.
:cheers
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Again Bristol city council showing that it is anti motor vehicle.
As all our requirements are delivered by HGV it means that we the customer who shops in Bristol will have to pay the additional taxes on our purchases.
The other option may be transhipment points outside the city where loads are moved to eco-friendly transport to deliver into the clean air zone. Who will pay? We will.
Driving businesses out of Bristol or creating more internet sales.
Gordon A
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It won't be long before city centres will have cleaner air than the countryside.
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Who votes for these councillors ???
The answer is in the ballot box.
City centres are becoming deserts.
I've not been into Norwich for over a year now - the city centre may as well be on the moon as far as I'm concerned.
There's nothing in there that I need (apart from the Apple shop).
The other solution, apart from owning a Series 2 land Rover is to move.
Not an option for all, but it's there on the table.
It's amazing how the axe swings one way then the other.
Unleaded petrol
Low sulfur diesel
LPG
Bio fuels
Electric vehicles
What will it be next week ???
All with no real science to support the whims of the "authorities".
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Our local council employed some one to develop out of town shopping? Town centre is now dead and you guessed it employed some one to develop the two centre.
Another local town is very busy the only difference is free parking?
Liverpool City centre is still very busy especially with tourists, but certain parking areas are extortionate
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Free parking is the answer :first
Councils should not be so greedy in demanding parking charges and issuing permits etc.
Can't they see it's driving custom away :stars
Our City fathers should open up the (local to me) Park-&-Ride site which is closed on Saturdays :thud surely the busiest shopping day of the week :shakeinghead
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It's amazing how the axe swings one way then the other.
Hi Alan,
In a previous existance, I used to think the same thing about school girl fashions.
Ankle socks. tights, "St Trinians" stockings. Whichever was in fashion, that's the style that was forbidden. I wonder if our Colonial cousins have heard of St Trinians? Perhaps a Google for "St Trinians dress code" will enlighten them"? I'm guessing that those who are aware of what I'm talking about will be smilling, but I think I feel a censorship looming.
So back on topic. Will HGV delivery trucks be exempt from the ban? Will we see more of those little drones that lurk on street corners in Milton Keynes? (Anybody got a picture/video?)
There is something in my memory banks about the ambient temperature in New York changing (can't remember which way) after 9/11. Aparently it was due to the lack of aircraft flying overhead.
602
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Given that the average speed to cross the centre of London (and other major cities) has not changed since the turn of the 20th century at around 5 mph - would it not be prudent to kill a lot of birds with one stone ???
Bring back horse and cart deliveries, like the old brewery dray horses. Better for the environment and plenty to put on the rhubarb :essen
Have all deliveries of goods unloaded at what once used to be "Railway Stations" and hence by cart to the final address.
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Bring back horse and cart deliveries, like the old brewery dray horses. Better for the environment and plenty to put on the rhubarb :essen
Have all deliveries of goods unloaded at what once used to be "Railway Stations" and hence by cart to the final address.
Sorry can't do that Alan - horse's fart so therefore emit a gas which is not environmentally friendly the same as cows :agh :stars :-X :-X :-X
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Euro 6 legislation will immediately come into force for trucks in January. Newly introduced passenger cars will have to meet the legislation before September 2014 and in January 2015 all newly delivered cars will have to meet Euro 6. For more info, please refer Euro 6 Article. Euro 5 was introduced in the EU in 2009.
COWS NOW HAVE TO HAVE AD BLUE TANKS FITTED!
On a more serious note emission and grot and waste need to be looked at but folks are identifying easy or incorrect targets and rushing with inappropriate or more damaging solutions.
For instance yesterday inhalers were targeted for change, the folk who rely on these did not design them, they need the meds and will place that above how it is served up.
Same with motoring, jo public wants to get about but did not design or manufacture the vehicle or the fuel.
Authorities and agencies are box ticking so they can win a plastic award!
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... the "authorities" just new jerk to today's new "report" and then tomorrow's new "report" :thud
There's no joined up thinking or future planing.
99.99% of the population are not interested in motoring.
They just want to get from A to B the cheapest, most convenient, quickest way. It doesn't have to be by car...
Still think horse and cart is the way forward for urban deliveries :first
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Sheep, sheep, sheep, all reacting to propaganda and scaremongering. I won't be here, but in 50 years, when everyone is not travelling at all, not even farting, who then gets the blame for natural world events.
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Still think horse and cart is the way forward for urban deliveries
Hi,
I love horses. Unfortunately, my picture of Bess in my garden with her foal, "Ginny" (short for Regina, but you have to be carefull how you say that) is buried in Photobucket where I don't know how to post it from.
Ginny went on to compete round the lanes of South Wales, pulling a cart, and pulled her new owner's wedding carriage to Swansea registry Office, did some "cart" comptitions, before dropping a couple of foals, and being retired to "Schoolmaster" duties... The owner also went into the horse drawn funerals , so maybe her offspring are carrying on the haulage business.
Horsedrawn is the future? I don't think so.
A single donkey (two of mine were donated to the Sanctuary.) can pull an 80 ton canal barge, with a child in charge. They are lovely animals, don't eat much, and live for ever (hence "Donkey's Years".
But if you want "work", go for a mule. They don't eat much, and are not allowed to compete (in sport) against horses ... they win too often. However, they have a mind of their own (stubborn), can kick backwards like a horse, forwards like a man, and sideways like a cow. They are also infertile, so you can't breed from them. I don't think they are particularly friendly (glad to be corrected). If you want to carry a load (pack) get A Fell pony, which will carry 2cwt all day long.
Shetland ponies? My first equine. We borrowed a mate's Mk.2 Cortina estate. The trekking centre owner (Stan in Jersey Marine) told Barbara to get in the driver's seat, and me in the back. He handed me the leading rope, and said "This should be interesting, he's never done this before". Him and his henchman picked Horrible Hector up, and threw him in the back with me. Did I mention that Hector was "entire" (ask your vet). If you want to see Barbara's hair stand up, just mention Hector in the estate. She'd never been close to a horse before... let alone a stallion stamping his hooves on the metal floor, and screaming in her ear ... and I mean at point blank range. I don't think she knew what she was letting herself in for when she married me. I'm proud of the girl.
602.
April 1965, Barbara sitting in the Swansea to Paddington train....
Little old lady commented "I'm surprised your mother lets you travel alone!"
Barbara replied, "I'm flying out to Malaya tomorrow, to join my husband".
As "conversation stoppers" go, that must be high on the list.
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Bring back horse and cart deliveries, like the old brewery dray horses. Better for the environment and plenty to put on the rhubarb :essen
Have all deliveries of goods unloaded at what once used to be "Railway Stations" and hence by cart to the final address.
I recall a Documentary about an American city which was among the first to introduce electric trams.... to attempt to address the huge amounts of horse droppings that horse-drawn vehicles were leaving.
Delivery tricycles are supposedly a coming thing in city centres.
One madness in the online purchasing world is the delivery by courier of small parcels - a £25 box of address lables were delivered here yesterday. Great service but the 16 mile round trip from the nearest small town to deliver that one package cannot make sense. ....if that had come with the Postie along with a villages-worth of post it would be a lot more "green" all round. Deregulation of parcels and the breaking of the Royal Mail monopoly was not a good idea.
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Hi,
You drive to the shops/work/cinema, etc. And drive back. TWO journeys. frowned at!
You call a taxi (based in middle of town). Taxi drives to your house, takes you into town, returns to base. Then you phone for a taxi, to come and get your, take you home, and return to base. I make that more than FOUR journeys ... but our Glorius Leaders will smile upon you, coz you are saving the planet.
OK, probably a different matter in London, where you can hail a passing cab ... except when everybody needs one.
In Georgetown (Penang), we used roving taxis (licenced and pirate), and argued the price before getting in. Also tri-shaws, which were a shade too narrow for our pair of European hips ... and we always felt sorry for the elderly and emaciated little old man pedalling.
While we were there, three inebriated English men were returning to their hotel after a night out. Three Europeans in a tri-shaw? Keep reading ...
Bump, bump! "What was that?" They stopped to investigate, found a 22ft python, lying across the road. There can't be many pythons who have ridden in an already overloaded trishaw.
The police station refused to accept it, so it shared their hotel room for the night.
The following day, they donated it to the Snake Temple, where, once a week, a white rabbit joined it for lunch. I don't know how long pythons live ... this was over 50 years ago.
When we were living on Penang, the monks at the Snake Temple were happy to let tourists drape vipers round their necks, and be photographed. Nobody warned them that the vipers tended to wake up when taken from their incense laded environment.
602 (Who's daughter and grandchildren travel everywhere by taxi.)
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One madness in the online purchasing world is the delivery by courier of small parcels
Hi Genem,
In the year following demob, I was a self-employed mini-cab driver in South London. I did 50,000 miles that year.
One afternoon, I was given a package to deliver in North London. It was easier/quicker/cheaper to drive to Tooting Bec, and go by "tube" (underground railway).
Problem! I delivered the package OK ... but they asked me to carry a about 100kg of packages back to my original customer. :-[
602
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Sheep, sheep, sheep, all reacting to propaganda and scaremongering.
Yea, those fools listening to climate scientists with their 'education' and 'data'. What do they know?
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Hi,
My cunning plan is to dig up the Penines, and dump them in the irish Sea. I think that will stop it raining in Lancashire.
Ask your local library if they can find you a copy of "A Horseman Riding By", then ask for the sequels. one of the sub-plots involves the floods in .. er ... Lynemouth (but not by name) Our older readers may remember that real life drama. The author explains how it came about (not enough tree-huggers).
Also try to get a copy of "I bought a Mountain" . It's an autobiographical account of somebody returning from the war (WW2?) and buying four square miles of primitive Wales, and his adventures there-on. He laid on DIY hydro-electricity to his farm worker's cottages, etc. One of my mates at DVLA knew the authors wife (I think she was a Min of Ag Inspector).
My dad always claimed that London was built by two Irishmen and a horse and cart. Horses are lovely creatures, but not much cop as a form of transport ... unless there is nothing else.
During the 1950s, a young woman used to flash through Croydon on a pedal cycle. Crawley to Croydon, and back every day, I think about 25 miles each way. I think she held the record for every women only cycle race, including 12 hours and 24 hours. Try a Google for Eileen Sheridan. then go and buy shares in Raleigh and Hercules.
602
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Yea, those fools listening to climate scientists with their 'education' and 'data'. What do they know?
Yeah banning diesel in Bristol will make all the difference, I am sure it will offset all the new coal power stations they are building in China and India.
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Yea, those fools listening to climate scientists with their 'education' and 'data'. What do they know?
The point is you can take statistics and select the bits you want to make them say whatever suits your latest agenda,
they conveniently don't mention the spike in 'global warming' that happened just before the period they use to create the 'scare'....and somehow i don't think they had evil diesel engines in the medieval period..... :shakeinghead
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Yeah banning diesel in Bristol will make all the difference, I am sure it will offset all the new coal power stations they are building in China and India.
.... to say nothing of the nuclear power station just up the coast ???
:radio active
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Banning diesel from Bristol won't affect me much as I rarely drive into the city. I do all my shopping locally or out of town. However it will kill whats left of the city centre for shopping.
Also the Bristol bus service is one of the worst in the country. I think one of the reasons for the blanket ban is that the BRI (the main Bristol Hospital) as well as the dental and eye hospitals are on a major route through the city and the amount of diesel fumes from the jammed traffic is not good for patients. So rather than sort out the road system to alleviate the problem there is a knee jerk reaction to ban diesels. This wont stop buses passing the BRI as they will be allowed, or so I understand.
Malcolm (Bristol)
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The barmy burgers of Birmingham are talking of banning all cars from the city centre in addition to taxing work place parking spaces, a central emissions limit and knocking down a vital flyover on the A34 at Perry Barr.
They are anti motorist, putting in cycle lanes along the roads together with a "Sprint Bus " lane restricting the road width.
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I think one of the reasons for the blanket ban is that the BRI (the main Bristol Hospital) as well as the dental and eye hospitals are on a major route through the city and the amount of diesel fumes from the jammed traffic is not good for patients.
Hi G6anz,
I have been pondering recently, on that very subject, for several weeks.
The residents of the whole county subscribe to the costs of a hospital (OK, I'm guessing there). but ease of access to the facillities is enjoyed by only those who live in the town. Barbara took a tumble a cfew weeks ago, which means calling an ambulance crew to get her back on her feet. The operator said it was a Friday night, it was havoc on the streets, so she would have a long wait.
OK, I can understand the logic and priorities, but taken to it's extreme, a situation could arise where no ambulance would be available till the following day. All very sensible, but nobody seems to factor in that victims of minor incidents (who don't go boozing on Saturday evenings) are also subscribing to the emergency services.
No, I don't have an answer. But then again, I'm not a Planner with facts, figures, and facilities, at my finger tips.
OT. Do a Google for "TIME LIMIT MEDICAL MALPRACTICE" (or whatever word is). I won't make that mistake again.
602
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The barmy burgers of Birmingham are talking of banning all cars from the city centre in addition to taxing work place parking spaces.
The trouble is, works parking places are already taxed, each works parking space adds £50 if my memory is correct to the businesses' Business Rates valuation, so what Birmingham is proposing is in fact a double taxation, a bit like vat on fuel duty.
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A bit ironic really - at the thin end of the wedge we have the 2nd highest tides in the world - a rise/fall of some 40+ ft.
Build a barrage with tidal mills (gives another road crossing) use the excess electricity to power the wind turbines as fans, point at Bristol and all the diesel fumes will be blown away (to Wales) ???
(If only Brunel were alive today)
:tiphat
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My view is that when we elect local councillors they get to serve their term, at the end of the term we have a second vote, if they are viewed to have done a good job they get paid and their expenses or if they are viewed to have done a bad job they are taken into the street and shot like mad dogs >:(
Is this O/T
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Is this O/T
Probably, but I would whole heartedly agree ...
I would add, that their promises and policies should be legally binding "contracts".
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602, there is only room for a dozen cars to park at the BRI. And nowhere for staff to park. There is only drop off points at A&E then you have to park in a multi-storey park 10mins walk away.
Note that the hospital is the centre for oncology, heart problems, maternity eye, dental and general surgery
Madness >:( >:(
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Hi G6anz
BRI? Bristol Royal infirmary? Where does the Head Honcho park? "RHIP", as we used to say in the forces.
When I was in short trousers (went long when I was 14) I used to sit on the bus on my way to school, and think "This is stupid!"
The office workers in Croydon were competing with kids on their way to school ... in Croydon. Surely the planners could have arranged things so that the office workers caught the bus into town, and the kids caught the buses going out of town. Win, win, win! (Workers, kids. bus company) and another win ... the general public ... less pollution as only half the number of buses pumping fumes.
602
PS, for those that didn't know. RHIP? Rank Has It's Privileges.
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Yeah banning diesel in Bristol will make all the difference, I am sure it will offset all the new coal power stations they are building in China and India.
China is moving into Renewable energy VERY fast, their mass production has hugely dropped the price of solar panels.... and the have mobilised entire Army Divisions to plant Forest. This year they will reforest an area the size of the Republic of Ireland
Everyone shoul;d be doing their bit to be careful with resources, it plan common sense.
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Hi G6anz
BRI? Bristol Royal infirmary? Where does the Head Honcho park? "RHIP", as we used to say in the forces.
When I was in short trousers (went long when I was 14) I used to sit on the bus on my way to school, and think "This is stupid!"
The office workers in Croydon were competing with kids on their way to school ... in Croydon. Surely the planners could have arranged things so that the office workers caught the bus into town, and the kids caught the buses going out of town. Win, win, win! (Workers, kids. bus company) and another win ... the general public ... less pollution as only half the number of buses pumping fumes.
602
PS, for those that didn't know. RHIP? Rank Has It's Privileges.
Better yet. In this day and age a huge number of jobs could be done from or near home, very little need for people to travel to rabbit-warren office blocks at all, certainly not 9-5, 5 days a week. The design and layout needs to change...
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Good Evening All,
I see there are some of the usual responses whenever the subject of altering the way we do things come up.
Yes there have been previous incidents of climate change, I don't think this is a contentious issue per se, it is the rate of change in the current case which is, I believe, unprecedented.
I have no expertise in the are of climatology or any associated science but the arguments in support of the fact that we are contributing to the overall effect means we need to be seen to do something. The problem is that the minute you suggest making peoples lives a little less 'comfortable' you meet resistance.
I, supported by my wife, have spent a lot of money in the last 30 years moving from where we were to where we are now. A simple example is that I used to drive a 1952 80" vehicle everywhere, we now have a Skoda that does 45mpg (OK it is a diesel) and a Renault Zoe.
We had a single burner oil fired range providing heat and cooking in our current house and moved through a condensing LPG boiler to the all singing, all dancing heat pump, slashing our heating bills (a combination of a shed load of insulation and very efficient 'boiler').
We have installed solar PV and solar hot water systems.
Our standard of living hasn't changed but, overall our impact on the planet has been reduced.
There is still more that can be done by all of us, some of what I read here and, in fairness, a great many other places, suggests that there is still a long way to go to get the message across.
As I have said elsewhere - in a hundred years time will the main subject of historical discussion be Brexit or climate change?
Regards
Richard
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I think you'l find that the majority of hospital workers can't work from home
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I think you'l find that the majority of hospital workers can't work from home
Yep. That's why I never mentioned hospital workers, it was office based jobs I referenced in response to 602 ? Many jobs in Hospitals will be a pretty solid form of "customer-facing" role by any definition, I suggest !
One good example of the battery-cage office worker is the "Call Centre". Utterly pointless commute for most of these workers, the technology to switch a home computer and phone into the employers network and blank off access to other sites, measure number of calls handled etc has been around for ages - a company approached MoD with this as a "solution" for wounded veterans and MoD spouses on remote bases - the idea was they they could agree what hours they'd work - a full day or an option to fit it around family commitments then act as the "overspill" for conventional call centres. School age kids ? No problem, just be home between 10 till 3 or whatever, do a couple of hours after the kids are in bed... Able to work at 2am ? Fill your boots...without leaving home. I understand 4% of the working population are in Call Centres ?
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Yep. That's why I never mentioned hospital workers, it was office based jobs I referenced in response to 602 ?
Hi Genem,
If a hospital serves the County, is the centre of Town the best place to put it?
My mate John (the punk) had his thumb bitten off, while trying to prevent a fight between his GSD and a friends Lab. This was the top end of the Swansea Valley. There was some doubt about which A&E they should visit. Swansea or Brecon.
Once that was sorted, another problem raised it's head. The surgeons wanted to knock him out ... he wanted to watch. He watched!
Both dogs died of old age. I found him a 5-month old Neopolitan Mastiff, (Google) free to good home. A big soft lump (just like John) that could cripple you with it's wagging tail.
602
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Yep. That's why I never mentioned hospital workers, it was office based jobs I referenced in response to 602 ?
Hi Genem,
If a hospital serves the County, is the centre of Town the best place to put it?
602
Not really, it needs to be in a place thats easy to get to for the most people. Most twon centres are not actully that easy to get to. The "ring-road" or whatever the local equivalent is might be better.
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That's just what they did in Norwich some years back.
They built a spanking brand new hospital next to our labs, with no exit onto the bypass :thud
The hospital was a 1000 beds short and they have had permanent building on site to expand.
The car parking spaces were farcical. Staff could only get there by car and have to pay to park - so they park in the nearby lanes/roads.
For patients/visitors we have one of the highest parking charges in the country :shakeinghead
Hospital and clinical services have not expanded with the increasing population. In fact the total population in the UK is unknown and under estimated.
Sounds like the Bristol hospital is in the wrong place, should be re-developed for housing and a new facility built where people can easily get there - and accept it needs free and plenty of parking space and decent public transport access as well.
In Victorian times, the hospitals were built where the patients lived - in the towns and cities.
Our poster from up there ^^^
Is quite right.
The numb of this topic keeps coming round and there's nothing we can do - the authorities don't come here and read our comments :'(
We are preaching to the converted.
:wooly-jumper
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Yeah banning diesel in Bristol will make all the difference, I am sure it will offset all the new coal power stations they are building in China and India.
You're right. We should wait until everyone is ready to make change, everyone agrees on how to do it, then try and do it all in one go. That's the key to the development of legislation and technology.
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You're right. We should wait until everyone is ready to make change, everyone agrees on how to do it, then try and do it all in one go. That's the key to the development of legislation and technology.
Gesture politics sure ain't going to save the world which is what banning diesel in one British city amounts to.
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If you go back to when rudolf invented the compression ignition engine he had it running on peanut oil.
Would be interested to see the emissions from that fuel.
Petrol cars have always been let off the hook as far as i am concerned as they are visibly less polluting on the whole even though the nasties are there.
The industries and they know who they are used cheat codes/software to satisfy legislation whilst under scrutiny, for tax banding and mot testing.
Cars that had been around for ages with the same engine suddenly made huge strides in progress. It fooled no one.
As for folks operating horses as their transport, I think that skill set has long bolted!
The jams would be literally nose to tail, and where would they plug their phones in!
The roads would be self resurfacing if you could see them for flies.
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Hi 2286,
I agree ... horses are lovely creatures (usually), but not a viable means of transport for the masses.
Our friends on the young mountain above the Swansea Valley had an Ardenne X Shire gelding. It could "bunny hop" up a river bank, dragging a huge tree trunk. His owner, found a saddle that was big enough to fit, but had to have a girth strap specially made ... 96". It was a waste of money, as he couldn't get his head around being ridden, just turned his head and gazed at the silly woman sitting on his back. I reckon his head was bigger than my Shetland gelding.
I understand that he was "gifted" to the Forestry Commission.
602
I wonder if Googling ARDENNE STALLION IMAGES will produce any interesting pictures. ???
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Hi,
I wonder if .... ???
Yes!
602
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Having had much experience with horses in the past, I reckon i could do the "horse and cart" thing, ( when the powers that be have legislated us right back to the level of medieval type serfdom)..... :shakeinghead
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It is gesture politics ...
Anything the 80 million Brits do - going back to living in caves, no electricity, no transport, no shops, no plastic will NOT make one scrap of difference to the net global warming - set against a global population of Billions :shakeinghead
However :-\
The subject of this topic is to reduce the localised pollution from "dirty diesels" in a city centre and this has some merit.
Diesels can be made to run a lot, lot cleaner with LPG fumigation and exhaust filters (better than they have now) and probably other technology - but no one seems that interested in the rush to electric powered vehicles.
Quite how the demand for extra electricity is going to be meet I'm not sure/convinced. Generating electricity is going to produce pollution somewhere ???
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Of course it's 100% gesture politics...just so the international politician's old boys club can pat each other on the back, (and vote themselves another pay rise of course..)
.. while the population (us) have ever more of our free choice removed, and be further insulted by telling us they're doing us a favour..... :shakeinghead
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……..and of course, raising the price of diesel and petrol until none but the very rich can afford to run an ICE vehicle.