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[lurch032003]

Now bare with me just incase I’m wrong I apologise now but I pass a lot of time reading topics here and there and looking at what’s fir sale on the bay  and I am no river counter I belive it’s your do with as you want but I saw tonight on the bay a landrover advertised as a 90 but you say that common but here the bit I sat upright at was the pics straight away was a series 3 , grill lights hinges everything I could see cried out a series 3 but then I read it’s description and it started to get even worse ,  “it’s on a galvanised chassis but a series 2 body shell “
V5 document showing three letter three number plate fir 1958 !!!
So are you guys and dolls stating to get a funny feeling that something is really not right even a person who knows nothing about landrover is going to be saying to them self’s what is it he or she is selling that is what it’s suppose to be or am I just being totally dumb and got it all wrong???
I won’t post up link as forgot to take note of it but if you search for a 90” I’m sure if it’s not been taken off yet that it will raise some questions as I’m sure I say anther claiming to be a S2 from 1984 Am I going out looking for these or are there really folk advertising such vehicles and if so why what is the benifit bar free road tax and mot for something  that isn’t what it claims to be
Please feel free to tell me otherwise as I said I apologise if I’m just getting old and looking for these lol
John

[Herald1360]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/land-rover-90/273989389417?hash=item3fcb0a4c69:g:EYIAAOSwDipda7Xu

JSJ226

Vehicle details

    Vehicle make: LAND ROVER
    Date of first registration: November 1958
    Year of manufacture: 1958
    Cylinder capacity (cc): 0 cc
    CO₂Emissions: Not available
    Fuel type: DIESEL
    Euro Status: Not available
    Export marker: No
    Vehicle status: SORN in place
    Vehicle colour: BLUE
    Vehicle type approval: Not available
    Wheelplan: 2-AXLE-RIGID BODY
    Revenue weight: 3499kg

No idea where that weight figure comes from.

Not much of it was manufactured in 1958!

[lurch032003]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/land-rover-90/273989389417?hash=item3fcb0a4c69:g:EYIAAOSwDipda7Xu

JSJ226

Vehicle details

    Vehicle make: LAND ROVER
    Date of first registration: November 1958
    Year of manufacture: 1958
    Cylinder capacity (cc): 0 cc
    CO₂Emissions: Not available
    Fuel type: DIESEL
    Euro Status: Not available
    Export marker: No
    Vehicle status: SORN in place
    Vehicle colour: BLUE
    Vehicle type approval: Not available
    Wheelplan: 2-AXLE-RIGID BODY
    Revenue weight: 3499kg

No idea where that weight figure comes from.

Not much of it was manufactured in 1958!

Yes that’s the one it’s description is
And I quote is —-
“Hello here I have a land rover 90, it is a 1958 with a series 2 body, it is a galvanised chassis, it is diesel. Very good condition for its age “

So is it me getting old or am I right this is not what it claims to be other than a series three

[Porkscratching]

The usual "ringer" S3 on an old S2 identity, loads of em go on ebay..

[biloxi]

I like the " no time wasters"
.W.

[Rog-from-Bix]

The shame is it looks tidy but having a muddled id would put knowledgeable buyers off. I wonder if the rear springs are shot or it has a lot of weight in the back ?

[TimV]

Looks post 1980, with the rear number plate on the left, the silvery surrounds on the headlights, fog lights.

[andyjb]

I asked the seller about it I questioned the integrity of it

Hello

Sorry for the confusion

I said 90 as it’s a short wheel base I just thought 90 but it can’t be a 90 then sorry

It was 1st registered in 1958 as it says on the logbook

But it has had this later shell put on it and has a galvanised chassis

I hope this helps

Thank you

That was the reply.
I've questioned its authenticity with ebay

[w3526602]

Hi,

This case is unlikely to be the  same set of circumstances, but Brough Superior ceased car production in (I think) 1932 ... apart from the car that a woman ordered in 1939, so they made her one.

What would be the value of a Series 1 ... with a Log Book showing 81"[/i I think they only made 1,000, all with B80 engines.

I'm happy to be corrected in both the above cases.

602

PS, Is anybody interested in THE "experimental" 89" S2 with a B80 engine (non-runner), rare. £100,000  no offers. 

[Peter Holden]

Good luck to anyone who buys it, it probably has a DVLA marker on it by now.  It is on a galv chassis and the way DVLA are working now they could rquest that SGS inspect it.  They will only be interested in the number stamped on the front dumb iron.  If it is not they could withdraw the registration as that chassis provides the identity abd the stamped in number is what they use to "Age the vehicle".  Similar with a DVSA (VOSA) roadside check.  No number and you are in the do do..

Me thinks another example of a chancer somewhere down the line trying to con the unwary.  We could all be wrong of course and it could be a case of someone who has updated a genuine vehicle, in that case what a loss to lose an original vehicle  (except ther appears to be nothing original about it except the chassis number itself.

Then again someone might buy it for the registration.

Peter

[Tim Chilcott]

More of them are appearing because of popularity and a ready market of complete idiots willing to shell out small fortunes for a ringer 

Ok, I’m getting old too   

[Porkscratching]

No ones going to buy that as a 58...

[agg221]

Good luck to anyone who buys it, it probably has a DVLA marker on it by now.  It is on a galv chassis and the way DVLA are working now they could rquest that SGS inspect it.  They will only be interested in the number stamped on the front dumb iron.  If it is not they could withdraw the registration as that chassis provides the identity abd the stamped in number is what they use to "Age the vehicle".  Similar with a DVSA (VOSA) roadside check.  No number and you are in the do do..

Me thinks another example of a chancer somewhere down the line trying to con the unwary.  We could all be wrong of course and it could be a case of someone who has updated a genuine vehicle, in that case what a loss to lose an original vehicle  (except ther appears to be nothing original about it except the chassis number itself.

Then again someone might buy it for the registration.

Peter

Isn't SJ one of the previously unused Scottish sequences, so probably a non-transferable age-related plate?

As previously discussed on the old forum, there does appear to be a real issue here in lack of standardisation of policy. There is a legitimate distinction between the 'Trigger's broom' vehicle which may have either had a deliberate facelift in the 1970s to make it look more modern, or has acquired parts through its life to keep it running and these may well be S3 due to availability, vs. the deliberate ringer.

The problem appears to arise when a new chassis is fitted. It is fairly easy to spot originality through inspection of just about every other component, as per a club inspection, but if DVLA only looks at the chassis, which then doesn't have a number on it (the same would apply if it has needed dumb-iron replacement) then how does anyone who does a legitimate chassis swap avoid a major problem if they get inspected?

Alec

[Porkscratching]

I've seen an SGS inspection, (tho not a Land Rover, ) and as far as i could see its a "do the numbers match the log book" (with photos of said numbers) exercise only, the kiddie who did it knew less than nothing about cars ...

[Peter Holden]

Hi Porkscratchings

That is the point, if the number isnt there or is really difficult to read SGS walk away.

I havent seen that reg on any of the age relateds that I have dealt with but you may still be right.

I will amke enquiries of my friend who is the fount of all knowledge on such things when I see him on Friday for a pub lunch.

Peter