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Title: Tracker's
Post by: Dopey on May 04, 2021, 08:26:24 PM
Trackers a lot of ppl ask about them here, this is a good alternative 4 in a box, so you can just hide them in cars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MaPqUYAetg
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: kev on May 04, 2021, 08:31:49 PM
All I saw was a bloke trying to scratch an apple air tag with a stanley knife. ???
Do you have to have an iphone?
What is the range?
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: Dopey on May 04, 2021, 08:45:45 PM
You can do it with android, you just need to give it permission, the range is unlimited, it uses other ppls phones to keep a track on it 
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: A-Ro on May 05, 2021, 07:20:38 PM
I bought a set today, I’ll let you know how I get on.
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: Dopey on May 05, 2021, 10:22:21 PM
Well done, they look toy be just the thing, and with 4 in a box you can now buy 3 more Landys...  :bright-idea :RHD
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: rustynuts on May 05, 2021, 11:17:20 PM
Surely these would only locate your stolen landy if someone happened to walk within a couple of metres of it with a mobile phone with the app installed and the Bluetooth turned on? Does Bluetooth easily penetrate the bodyshell of a vehicle? I've never tried it.
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: Wittsend on May 05, 2021, 11:49:01 PM
... or stored inside 2 containers  ???
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: Craig T on May 06, 2021, 09:37:00 AM
If you look hard enough you can buy blocking devices these days that transmit a very strong signal on frequencies used by mobile phones, wi-fi routers etc. I think professional (If there is s such a thing) thieves will carry blocking equipment with them but still, it's worth a try and not a great expense to be fair. Shipping containers are a bit like a huge Faraday cage, I've tried a mobile phone in one but some trackers can work through them. I saw a police camera program once where they boxed in a container truck on the motorway and stopped it. The driver pleaded inocent, just moving this trailer from A-B he said but the container was full of stolen diggers and site equipment.

I have looked at similar tracker before as I was thinking of hiding one inside the frame of my push bike. I like my bike and so does everyone else I encounter so always careful that I never leave it anywhere alone but, you never know who might see you riding into your house and decide to return a few days later....

I used the Google maps tracking app on my partners mobile to find it again when she dropped it while out on a horse ride. Fortunately she shared her location with me so I got in the car and followed the signal around the lanes until I stopped next to a pair of walkers. Wound the window down, asked if they picked up a purple phone with a photo of a white horse on the screen and they produced it from their pocket. The tracker on that was very good, got me within a few feet of the location.

Craig.
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: A-Ro on May 06, 2021, 06:48:46 PM
Setting the tracker up couldn’t be simpler, turn on Bluetooth on your phone and pull the plastic strip to enable the tag then follow the onscreen instructions.
I’ve thought of another use for it. It will help when you can’t remember exactly where you left your Landy in a big car park. Oh wait…
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: Dopey on May 07, 2021, 07:13:21 PM
If you look hard enough you can buy blocking devices these days that transmit a very strong signal on frequencies used by mobile phones, wi-fi routers etc. I think professional (If there is s such a thing) thieves will carry blocking equipment with them but still, it's worth a try and not a great expense to be fair. Shipping containers are a bit like a huge Faraday cage, I've tried a mobile phone in one but some trackers can work through them. I saw a police camera program once where they boxed in a container truck on the motorway and stopped it. The driver pleaded inocent, just moving this trailer from A-B he said but the container was full of stolen diggers and site equipment.

I have looked at similar tracker before as I was thinking of hiding one inside the frame of my push bike. I like my bike and so does everyone else I encounter so always careful that I never leave it anywhere alone but, you never know who might see you riding into your house and decide to return a few days later....

I used the Google maps tracking app on my partners mobile to find it again when she dropped it while out on a horse ride. Fortunately she shared her location with me so I got in the car and followed the signal around the lanes until I stopped next to a pair of walkers. Wound the window down, asked if they picked up a purple phone with a photo of a white horse on the screen and they produced it from their pocket. The tracker on that was very good, got me within a few feet of the location.

Craig.

That's how it works, If you can get a phone signal, then you can track it within a few feet, its cross tracked by other ppls phone to pin pint the signal, If you have an iphone then you already have it on Find MY Phone app, it's the same thing and works the same way, but its just £30
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: Smokey 11a on May 07, 2021, 09:33:03 PM
I knew a Land rover car thief from Manchester, He could find a Tracker i a Land Rover in seconds. He said there's only so many places that they can be hidden, if not they just park them up and see what happens. Her also mentioned that there almost always in the same place, due to the lack of hiding places. If and when they found one it would be tossed in the back of a lorry for and interesting ride around the UK. he was caught got 18 months, as he pleaded  guilty to 200 or so offences, out in 9 months. His first name was/is Wayne. He would get one late at night and have it in parts before breakfast. Fit more than one or don't bother, if they want it, it will go.
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: w3526602 on May 08, 2021, 08:38:04 AM
Hi Smokey,

Surely vehicle theft is an endorsable offence (not sure how many points, but it must be as many as driving without insurance. Maybe it counts as two or three offences).

When I was in my teens, no insurance would mean taking the bus for 12 months, and driving while disqualified, would involve "Pleasuring the Monarch for 12 months". Nobody in my immediate group got involved, but one acquaintance was frequently away, as Purser on a cruise liner (he said), for months at a time. He eventually rammed a Mk.7 Jag into a sturdy tree, at 100mph+, on Purley Way .... the engine continued for a further quarter mile, ended up in middle of Purley. I think photos made the National Press, probably about 1960ish.

602
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: diffwhine on May 08, 2021, 10:27:39 AM
In my view, a conviction for car theft should result in an automatic lifetime driving ban. What we need is a proper deterrent not a slap on the wrist. The punishment should relate to the crime. Trailer theft - take way the legal right to tow a trailer over 750kg. May sound simple, but its an easy way of deterring some people. Those who actively search out tracking devices are clearly not opportunists or some joker looking for a free ride home - these are low life benefitting financially from crime which we are all having to pay for.
Maybe I'm a relly of Judge Jeffreys... If I could bring back hanging for nicking a trailer off me for the 3rd time, I'm all for it.  >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: A-Ro on May 08, 2021, 10:58:33 AM
I’ve completed the disguise of the tracker with a shoddy coat of paint so it doesn’t look quite so much like a tracker, now to find somewhere inconspicuous to hide it.
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: Wittsend on May 08, 2021, 11:12:02 AM
The punishment should relate to the crime.

Never going to happen in this current world  :'(

Worrying about it just does your blood pressure.

Protect your property as best you can - which is where this new Apple Air Tag (https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2021/04/apple-introduces-airtag/) comes in.

I don't think Apple intended these to "track" cars.

And I'm not sure I'd want to spend £29 for a tag to protect my £6 brolly (http://www.series2club.co.uk/new_forum/Smileys/wittsends/wittsend1.gif) 
(Scroll down the Apple link for the joke.)

The girl in the Apple presentation put a tag on her water bottle  :thud

Mind how you go ...

 :plod
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: Davidss on May 08, 2021, 04:26:22 PM
Repeating comments I've just read on another forum which suggests a potential thief will be alerted via their own phone that a tracker is active. It isn't an aspect I've seen in this thread, which is why I've copied the comments.

First comment:
"Plan on removing the coil on the plastic cover (which is the speaker diaphragm) of the two I put on bikes so a thief won't hear them beeping!".

Response comment:
"Be aware that even without the beeping, if the thief has an iPhone, it will receive a notification that he is being tracked (i.e the tracker will notify someone when someone else's tracker is following him/her). I expect that there will also be apps released for Android phones as well to tap into the signal sending the tracking information from the AirTags.
Apple does this so that people cannot use them to track someone without their knowledge. As such, AirTags will not really be very useful for tracking stolen items.".

Regards.
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: A-Ro on May 08, 2021, 05:18:50 PM
Hey ho, the best laid plans etc. Now I have a brightly coloured key ring/dog collar ornament.
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: oddjob on May 08, 2021, 06:12:14 PM
Trying to find something the size of a 50p in Land Rover would be challenging. Maybe the alert would make them abandon it?
If my Land Rover went missing I'd be wishing I had gambled £29 on a tracker that might work. I've already got a proper tracker but think I'll get one of these as a back up. Bet I can hide it well enough to make it take a few hours to find.

 :cheers
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: Dopey on May 08, 2021, 07:49:47 PM
Repeating comments I've just read on another forum which suggests a potential thief will be alerted via their own phone that a tracker is active. It isn't an aspect I've seen in this thread, which is why I've copied the comments.

First comment:
"Plan on removing the coil on the plastic cover (which is the speaker diaphragm) of the two I put on bikes so a thief won't hear them beeping!".

Response comment:
"Be aware that even without the beeping, if the thief has an iPhone, it will receive a notification that he is being tracked (i.e the tracker will notify someone when someone else's tracker is following him/her). I expect that there will also be apps released for Android phones as well to tap into the signal sending the tracking information from the AirTags.
Apple does this so that people cannot use them to track someone without their knowledge. As such, AirTags will not really be very useful for tracking stolen items.".

Regards.
It's not so, its encrypted, no one get an alert but you, and whoever you authorise,
I’ve completed the disguise of the tracker with a shoddy coat of paint so it doesn’t look quite so much like a tracker, now to find somewhere inconspicuous to hide it.
Paint it like a bitcoin.... no one will take it then  :-X :-X
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: jonhutchings on May 09, 2021, 10:01:02 AM
It's not so, its encrypted, no one get an alert but you, and whoever you authorise,  Paint it like a bitcoin.... no one will take it then  :-X :-X

Not true,  If your iPhone detects an apple tag that is "travelling with you" but is not yours, you will get an alert on your phone. So as a thief with an iPhone, you steal a car with a tag in it, your phone will tell you of the tags presence in the car. (Apple doesn't know you are nicking a car, so it assumes that someone has put a tag on you without your knowledge (the tag is not registered to you so it knows it's not yours)

Once you find the tag you can then follow hand instructions on  your phone to disable it, because after all Apple prides themselves on ease of use :)

see https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2021/04/apple-introduces-airtag/ under privacy and security which says

"AirTag is also designed with a set of proactive features that discourage unwanted tracking, an industry first. Bluetooth signal identifiers transmitted by AirTag rotate frequently to prevent unwanted location tracking. iOS devices can also detect an AirTag that isn’t with its owner, and notify the user if an unknown AirTag is seen to be traveling with them from place to place over time. And even if users don’t have an iOS device, an AirTag separated from its owner for an extended period of time will play a sound when moved to draw attention to it. If a user detects an unknown AirTag, they can tap it with their iPhone or NFC-capable device and instructions will guide them to disable the unknown AirTag. "
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: oddjob on May 09, 2021, 10:41:34 AM
Does that mean they have to find it to disable it?
 :cheers
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: Wittsend on May 09, 2021, 11:12:35 AM
Do trackers enable the recovery of stolen vehicles ???
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: Tobyd10 on May 09, 2021, 11:58:12 AM
I have read that the potential their can find these quickly in a Landover but I have a plan.
I will glue the tag to one of a number of screws that I will remove while doing some maintenance. I will only have to turn away and look back and it will be invisible but still somewhere in the Land Rover- done.
Title: Re: Tracker's
Post by: A-Ro on May 09, 2021, 09:59:39 PM
^^^😂😂😂😂^^^