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Main Section => Welcome to our virtual Pub Meeting ... => Topic started by: Larry S. on December 10, 2022, 06:40:32 PM
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Hello everyone!
Does anyone know about how long it takes for a Heritage Certificate to be processed and shipped? I looked on their website but didn't see anything.
Also, if a person orders a certificate, do you think they'd be willing to notify the buyer as to the build date via email?
Cheers!!
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From memory I think I paid £6.00 for one item of information by email.
That was a year or two ago, so worth checking on their website.
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It's a moving game ... changing all the time.
One would have thought that if you have ordered a certificate then they ought to let you know the build date ???
These things are not cheap now, but look good in your man cave.
Be aware that you don't get that much info as Rovers never recorded the data.
(http://www.series2club.co.uk/gallery/technical/images/Heritage_certificate.jpg)
The posties are on intermittent strike in the UK and we are in the Christmas period so expect delays.
If you were in the UK my advice would be to phone them up and ask.
:postman_pat
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Do they do them for ex military vehicles?
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do you think they'd be willing to notify the buyer as to the build date via email?
I have just checked the Gaydon site.
They still do a Web Research Request for £6.00.
So the answer to your questiion is yes, if you can pay £6.00 they will email you an answer for the build date by email - while you wait for the full Certificate to arrive by snailmail.
https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/certificate-costs-and-delivery
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Do they do them for ex military vehicles?
Yes - I've got one for my LWT.
:xmas truck
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Certificate £50-60!
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Why does the 'British Motor Industry Heritage Trust' insist on using a dash (-) among the chassis number?
All chassis are stamped without the dash.
All bulkhead plates are stamped without the dash.
All parts & workshop manuals list the chassis numbers without the dash.
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Thanks everyone!!! I had no clue about the single question aspect, that will help.
Much appreciated. :tiphat
Cheers!
Larry
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Caution, the one the previous owner had bought for my Lightweight had data on it for a completely different vehicle, which is why my 1971 build has a 1969 age registration...
I asked them to correct it, they sent me a new one with the right vehicle data but still with minor errors. Hey ho. Its issues like that which probably explain why DVLA will not accept just a Heritage Cert as "proof".
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The problem is that when colour printers were readily available "Heritage Certificates" were easy to forge :shakeinghead
There are no security features on them.
Lots of chancers and scammers hoodwinked the DVLA into getting all sorts of stuff road registered.
For example: It is said that there are more Bugattis on the road than the factory ever produced.
etc. etc.
And so, quite rightly, the DVLA no longer accept these certificates and haven't done so for some years.
Which is why our club is recognised by the DVLA to inspect Series 2s and 3s for their bona fides and owners have to proceed to (try) and register their vehicles through our VRO.
:xmas truck
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The problem is that when colour printers were readily available "Heritage Certificates" were easy to forge :shakeinghead
There are no security features on them.
Lots of chancers and scammers hoodwinked the DVLA into getting all sorts of stuff road registered.
For example: It is said that there are more Bugattis on the road than the factory ever produced.
etc. etc.
And so, quite rightly, the DVLA no longer accept these certificates and haven't done so for some years.
Which is why our club is recognised by the DVLA to inspect Series 2s and 3s for their bona fides and owners have to proceed to (try) and register their vehicles through our VRO.
:xmas truck
I'm a bit baffled. Were these certificates used as legal documents for identification of the vehicles? I always assumed your version of a vehicle title - 'vehicle registration document' - was issued by the government/county. Ours are registered by the State the vehicle is in.
I did note this on the '£6.00 for one question' - "Please note, this information is provided by email and will not be accepted by registration authorities. If you require a formal document you will need to purchase a Heritage Certificate."
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My MGB GT was manufactured in 1977 but first registered in 1978. In 2017 I sent a Heritage certificate to DVLA to get their records amended to 1977 as date of manufacture. No problems then.
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If you have a vehicle already in the "system" - with a registration document - not a problem.
The problem arises when someone finds an old vehicle (Land Rover, tractor, sports car, etc.) in a barn that has not been registered, or registered many years ago, but now has "lost`' the registration number and the owner wishes to transfer ownership and or get it registered with a new number plate or MoT'd. But with no supporting paperwork.
Same applies to an import.
No paperwork, no proof of date of manufacture - you are now stuffed.
The vehicle needs to be inspected to check it is authentic.
This our club can do (for a fee).
:-\ We do not inspect a box of bits.
The vehicle has to be complete, but necessarily running or in a roadworthy condition.
It has to be complete.
You have no idea of the things people used to try and get away with.
They still do.
There's a lot of Series 2s out there with Defender parts, on coil springs and the like :shakeinghead
The only thing Series 2 being the cab plate. There was one on here recently.
These owners are evading road tax and MoT safety checks and therefore they are not insured if taken on the road :shakeinghead
A lot of people will say they did this and got that done with the DVLA
What matters TODAY is what the DVLA will accept.
The red tape is being tightened all the time to stop various loop holes and allowing chancers to try and register something that it is not.
The problem comes when innocent buyers - new comers to the classic car/Land Rover world find that their new purchase can not be registered and is rendered worthless scrap :shakeinghead
If only people came to us first for some advice.
For this reason my/our our best advice is NOT to buy a vehicle/project that doesn't have the correct paperwork.
If the seller doesn't have the paperwork then WHY - because they know it can't be registered ???
No paperwork - walk away - even if it's FREE - there are plenty of legitimate projects out there.
(Legislation/rules may be different in other countries.)
:RHD
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Forgot to mention the reason for the question - rather vain actually.
Grover is turning 60 this year, but I have no clue when. He is an early one, somewhere between January 1 and whatever date in March they switched from lowercase suffix letters to uppercase.
Due to the shipping issues I don't want to take the chance of extended delays and missing the date. The way my luck has been going I'd probably get the certificate weeks after the build date and miss the day.
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I'm a bit baffled. Were these certificates used as legal documents for identification of the vehicles? I always assumed your version of a vehicle title - 'vehicle registration document' - was issued by the government/county. Ours are registered by the State the vehicle is in.
I did note this on the '£6.00 for one question' - "Please note, this information is provided by email and will not be accepted by registration authorities. If you require a formal document you will need to purchase a Heritage Certificate."
Correus, if I am understanding your puzzlement correctly:
The legal document in the UK is the V5c, the official logbook which identifies the registered keeper (who is not necessarily the owner)
The Heritage certificate is provided by British Motor Heritage (a charity I believe?). It is an extract from the industry records but has no legal status as far as I know.
Others may contribute here, but I hope that helps.
Ian F
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If you have a vehicle already in the "system" - with a registration document - not a problem.
The problem arises when someone finds an old vehicle (Land Rover, tractor, sports car, etc.) in a barn that has not been registered, or registered many years ago, but now has "lost`' the registration number and the owner wishes to transfer ownership and or get it registered with a new number plate or MoT'd.
Same applies to an import.
No paperwork, no proof of date of manufacture - you are now stuffed.
The vehicle needs to be inspected to beside it is authentic.
This our club can do (for a fee).
:-\ We do not inspect a box of bits.
The vehicle has to be complete, but necessarily running or in a roadworthy condition.
It has to be complete.
You have no idea of the things people used to try and get away with.
They still do.
There's a lot of Series 2s out there with Defender parts, on coil springs and the like :shakeinghead
The only thing being the cab plate. There was one on here recently.
These owners are evading road tax and MoT safety checks and therefore they are not insured if taken on the road :shakeinghead
Thanks. That makes sense, not a whole lot different than around here. There are many things people try to pull around here as well.
I had Grover for two months and three weeks before I could legally drive him on the street. The broker sent the wrong title with him and once I got the correct title the number was wrong, the last two numbers were transposed. It took almost two months to fix it.
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My MGB GT was manufactured in 1977 but first registered in 1978. In 2017 I sent a Heritage certificate to DVLA to get their records amended to 1977 as date of manufacture. No problems then.
The Heritage Certificate can be used for corroboration but not as primary evidence when registering a vehicle under the V55/5 scheme for "first regiistration of a used vehicle.
The reasons are :
1 You supply the initial information to the Heritage Centre - You can get the certificate for any land rover that you know the chassis number or VIN for. The Heritage Centre dont ask for proof of your title to the vehicle.
2. Using parchment paper any halfway competent computer user could produce a fake.
Peter
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Correus, if I am understanding your puzzlement correctly:
The legal document in the UK is the V5c, the official logbook which identifies the registered keeper (who is not necessarily the owner)
The Heritage certificate is provided by British Motor Heritage (a charity I believe?). It is an extract from the industry records but has no legal status as far as I know.
Others may contribute here, but I hope that helps.
Ian F
Interesting. Thanks.
The following doesn't make much sense though - "The legal document in the UK is the V5c, the official logbook which identifies the registered keeper (who is not necessarily the owner)". Can you give me an example of this? Would this be something along the lines of a company, or fleet, vehicle?
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As far as I understand, the only proof of ownership is a receipt signed by the previous owner, for the funds provided to transfer the vehicle to your ownership.
My V5 c clearly states:
"this document is not proof of ownership"
Ian F
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That is my understanding also.
Peter
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Forgot to mention the reason for the question - rather vain actually.
Grover is turning 60 this year, but I have no clue when. He is an early one, somewhere between January 1 and whatever date in March they switched from lowercase suffix letters to uppercase.
Due to the shipping issues I don't want to take the chance of extended delays and missing the date. The way my luck has been going I'd probably get the certificate weeks after the build date and miss the day.
If that is all you want - you can get it by email, and not incur the extra charge. I only wanted the dealer dispatched to - a small charge. The certificate looks good on the wall - but that's it.
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If that is all you want - you can get it by email, and not incur the extra charge. I only wanted the dealer dispatched to - a small charge. The certificate looks good on the wall - but that's it.
True. And from what Wittsend said, a person may end up with a certificate missing some of the information.
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If you look at the pic of my certificate ^^^
(Story it's too big for the screen)
Scroll down and you'll see a lot of blank spaces.
This is because Land Rover never recorded that info and the certificate format the Motor Museum use is a generic template suitable foe all makes of car in the '50s & '60s.
Genem has also posted that the Museum can get the details wrong :shakeinghead
:snowman-1
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If you look at the pic of my certificate ^^^
(Story it's too big for the screen)
Scroll down and you'll see a lot of blank spaces.
This is because Land Rover never recorded that info and the certificate format the Motor Museum use is a generic template suitable foe all makes of car in the '50s & '60s.
Genem has also posted that the Museum can get the details wrong :shakeinghead
:snowman-1
Yup, I noticed that.
I'm really glad I asked about this. I've been on the fence about ordering a certificate for several years - didn't care for the cost, but it would be unique to hang on the wall. Now that I know about the other option, and the possibility of missing, or wrong, info I think I'll skip the certificate, for now anyway.
On top of that... I've been told Grover's 'origin story' and it's rather interesting; don't know if I want the certificate to burst that bubble!! Plausible deniability type thing - if the truth doesn't match the story I could no longer tell it!! LOL
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Man... really glad I brought this up and a special thanks to Exile! :tiphat
From memory I think I paid £6.00 for one item of information by email.
I went ahead and a made my request and just got a response about 10 minutes ago. Grover is a January baby - born on a Thursday, January 17, 1963!
Considering all that is going on I don't think that a certificate would of made it to me before January 17th. I purchased two different WWI photographs from two different people in Britain over a month ago and there is still no sign of them.
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At least you can have the birthday party now and crack a bottle of champagne over the bonnet :dancing_santas
:xmas truck
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At least you can have the birthday party now and crack a bottle of champagne over the bonnet :dancing_santas
:xmas truck
Definitely! Hopefully the champagne won't freeze!!
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another january land rover, mine was born on the 7th of january 1964 and despatched on the 29th :RHD :xmass33
mail in britain is slow enough at the moment, so i bet its even slower going to the USA
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another january land rover, mine was born on the 7th of january 1964 and despatched on the 29th :RHD :xmass33
mail in britain is slow enough at the moment, so i bet its even slower going to the USA
Cool... guess I'll find out the dispatch day when I get the certificate.