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Fitting truck cab to 109 ?
« on: July 13, 2020, 04:05:26 PM »

Are the truck cabs the same for 88 and 109? The way I understand it is that an 88 needs an in fill strip, and a 109 does not.?

I presume it just bolts to the top of the rear cab bulkhead?

I have a damaged full tilt that needs replacing, but back orders everywhere. This cab is available and appears in good condition.
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Re: Fitting truck cab to 109 ?
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2020, 04:16:45 PM »

Are the truck cabs the same for 88 and 109? The way I understand it is that an 88 needs an in fill strip, and a 109 does not.?
I presume it just bolts to the top of the rear cab bulkhead?
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Yes, in all respects. The fill strips can be expensive, but if you are prepared to wait I have read of one of our American cousins who found a rolled up bath towel (or sheet) to be such an admirable substitute that purchase of the fill strip was delayed indefinitely.

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Re: Fitting truck cab to 109 ?
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2020, 04:27:38 PM »

IIRC it uses 4 brackets to mount to the rear bulkhead rather than than mounting strip as on the 88. Same brackets are also used on the ninety one tens. Of no one beats me to it I look the part number up after work when I can get to my parts books.
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Re: Fitting truck cab to 109 ?
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2020, 04:43:38 PM »

Both my series and one ten books give part number 336577 for the bracket and SH607091L for the bolt,WM600071L for spring washer and 4590 for the plain washer.
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Re: Fitting truck cab to 109 ?
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2020, 05:10:57 PM »

Ok, looked up those parts and my 109 already has those brackets fitted.
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Re: Fitting truck cab to 109 ?
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2020, 06:18:34 PM »

Hi,

My understanding, which may be flawed, is that the cab of a 109" (from englne firewall to bulkhead behind the seats is longer than on an 88".

Looking at the drawings in the parts book, pages 2G 02 (88" tub) and 2G 04 (109" tub), it is slightly obvious that the gap between the B-pillar and the front edge of the seat box is bigger on the 109". The 88" has a hole for the fuel filler pipe on the top of the seat box, while the 109" does not. There are differences between the 88" and 109" tub front bulkhead, but my brain is starting to hurt.

Idle thoughts about fitting a 109" tub bulkhead into an 88" tub, to give more leg-room and adjustable sliding seats. but there is not enough detail. I'll save that for a later day ... maybe.
 
There are recesses on top of the 109" seat boxes, to carry a spare wheel (just one?) and tools. I assume these straddle the road wheels, to avoid a "conflict of interest", but my project will be running on little wheels. Two spares sunk into the seat boxes?  Or one spare and a small trolley jack? Probably irrelevant, as I will likely board over the gap between the seat boxes.

I can't wait to get started.

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Re: Fitting truck cab to 109 ?
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2020, 06:32:40 PM »

Right you’ve sown a seed of doubt. So your saying there is a difference?

I have found a decent truck cab, with filler plate, advertised as an 88”  I was going to fit it to my 109, just not using the filler plate it comes with.

Can someone clarify if it will fit as I intend?   
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Re: Fitting truck cab to 109 ?
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2020, 06:42:49 PM »

Panic ye not. They’re out to confuse you.
Fit the cab and cash the filler plate.
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Re: Fitting truck cab to 109 ?
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2020, 06:46:49 PM »

Right you’ve sown a seed of doubt. So your saying there is a difference?

I have found a decent truck cab, with filler plate, advertised as an 88”  I was going to fit it to my 109, just not using the filler plate it comes with.

Can someone clarify if it will fit as I intend?

Hi Gareth, I will swap the filler plate for a reasonable amount of legal tender if you want and don't mind posting it ?  I have a 88 project with a bit of nasty aluminium where the filler plate should be...

Gene.
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Re: Fitting truck cab to 109 ?
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2020, 07:42:04 PM »

Hi,

I'm trying to make sense of the rear of cab bulkhead.  The 109" bulkhead must be 4" (?) longer (front to rear), than the 88" bulkhead.

The 88" item, Pt.No.395409, appears to be bent back near the top. The 109" item, Pt.No.395404, looks like it might be bent back near the bottom. Is it? And is that enough to move the top of the panel back 4"?

The drawings do not seem to show where the tank filler stub pokes through the driver's seat box (nor wing) on the 109". The  88" and 109" appear to use the same fuel tank. ???

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Re: Fitting truck cab to 109 ?
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2020, 08:40:56 PM »

The drawings do not seem to show where the tank filler stub pokes through the driver's seat box (nor wing) on the 109". The  88" and 109" appear to use the same fuel tank. ???

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Same tank, fill pipes and filler neck.
On an 88" the bulkhead is not far off vertical and there is a cutout in the bulkhead and a cover plate for the filler pipe in the corner of the rear body.

On a 109" the bottom half of the bulkhead has a considerable rearwards rake in the bottom part and then the top part is vertical. This is enough that no cutout is needed and the fuel filler pipe is in the cab behind the seat.

The pic. is a S3 LWB so no filler but it does show the extra room in the cab gained by the sloping bulkhead. An 88" bulkhead would only be an inch or two to the rear of the special corner bolt holding the cab in place.
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Re: Fitting truck cab to 109 ?
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2020, 09:07:53 PM »

Hi Gareth, I will swap the filler plate for a reasonable amount of legal tender if you want and don't mind posting it ?  I have a 88 project with a bit of nasty aluminium where the filler plate should be...

Gene.

Ok, I’ve not seen it yet. If it’s as good as I think it is, and I buy it I’ll be in touch.
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Re: Fitting truck cab to 109 ?
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2020, 04:40:00 AM »

Hi.

An idle thought!

If the filler plate, between the tub bulkhead and the back of the hard top, could be fitted with an "upstand", there would be room to safely carry a ... er ... biro and a box of matches.

My thoughts have, perhaps probably briefly, turned to fitting a second bulkhead and capping, about a "Wilkie width" (say 9") behind the first. Weldmesh screen between Wilkie and the rest of the tub, and plywood panel between the tops of the seat boxes, lift-out-able to access the little trolley jack. what I'd carry especially for the occasion.

Hmmm! Perhaps I should file that idea under "back burner"? Maybe on a 109"?

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